Maybe I'm just out of the loop but what is the controversy regarding systemd?
Operating Systems Without Systemd
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#12Android - anyone? Android is linux, it's init is simple and the user experience obviously successful. There is a ton here for other distros to learn and improve on.
Windows and Mac OS are not on the list either. Haiku is, so this is not a Linux list. Pretty much arbitrary.
The point of the list is to be a short list of operating systems the author is highlighting, they link to the lists they are referencing which are more complete near the top of the article.
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#13Android - anyone? Android is linux, it's init is simple and the user experience obviously successful. There is a ton here for other distros to learn and improve on.
Typically when “Linux” is used without qualification, it means a GNU-based system; i.e., not Android.
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#14Maybe I'm just out of the loop but what is the controversy regarding systemd?
Starting this off with a disclaimer that these are things I've heard or read, and aren't necessarily a statement of my views.
The controversy mainly surrounds the claim that it is a single package that tries to do way too much by itself.
Calling systemd an init system isn't correct. systemd contains many things, one of which is an init system.
The other claim is that the systemd developers aren't open to much outside opinion, but have power over the community because important parts of basically all desktop Linux systems are now part of systemd and have strong dependencies on it (such as udev).
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#15I think, that sums up what's wrong with the Linux world right now. NixOS and GuixSD being the next generation of distributions and people are calling it "neat project with some unique features, but it is more fun as an intellectual curiosity than as something practical" while arguing if a distribution should use Systemd or not...
Right, I definitely wouldn’t say they’re just an intellectual curiosity (although it’s certainly intellectually curious), they’re both very practical daily driver for many use cases. Both are still in active development, but for plenty of applications they are rock solid and ready to go.
In fact Guix System 1.1.0 was released a week or so ago.
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#16Sad Gentoo didn't get more mention. Been using that w/OpenRC since before systemd existed and it's still my solid daily driver.
I found that extremely strange. Along with Void it's pretty much the go-to distro for people that don't want systemd.
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#17OpenBSD dabs on this list from the towering arches of the heavens.
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#18Maybe I'm just out of the loop but what is the controversy regarding systemd?
Starting this off with a disclaimer that these are things I've heard or read, and aren't necessarily a statement of my views. The controversy mainly surrounds the claim that it is a single package that tries to do way too much by itself. Calling systemd an init system isn't correct. systemd contains many things, one of which is an init system. The other claim is that the systemd developers aren't open to much outside…
For example, systemd timers (timed systemctl services) are like cron if cron was slightly more complicated and had very good logging. :3
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#19Maybe I'm just out of the loop but what is the controversy regarding systemd?
Starting this off with a disclaimer that these are things I've heard or read, and aren't necessarily a statement of my views. The controversy mainly surrounds the claim that it is a single package that tries to do way too much by itself. Calling systemd an init system isn't correct. systemd contains many things, one of which is an init system. The other claim is that the systemd developers aren't open to much outside…
It tries to do too much, badly, and with an air of entitlement around intentionally breaking things.
Change is good, so let's change away from systemd.
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#20Maybe I'm just out of the loop but what is the controversy regarding systemd?
There are many. Most amount to complaints about sysadmins having to re-learn a lot of stuff, much of which didn't actually need to be changed, at least not so thoroughly. Early on, most of the complaints centered around the poor migration path, the abandonment of plain text log files, and the absurdity of high-level user-facing software like the Gnome desktop environment having a hard dependency on a particular init system that many felt was still kinda half-baked. systemd as a project has also been a poster child for feature creep, and while technically many of the new features that have been added over the years are optional, in practice few distributions make it easy to partially opt-out of new systemd stuff. And through all of the controversy, the systemd maintainers have shown a stunning inability to acquire diplomacy skills; systemd has succeeded more in spite of their ability to promote it, rather than because of it.