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US patent office rules that artificial intelligence cannot be a legal inventor
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Re: US patent office rules that artificial intelligence cannot be a legal inventor
#62Patents should be eradicated from this planet. China will outgrow US/EU/Japan because they have little enforcement for these things and execution matters, not ideas.
I also oppose the idea of patents and most IP generally as causing more negatives than positives. But I'd fully expect China to increasingly protect IP as they develop, ultimately becoming just like everyone else.
Re: US patent office rules that artificial intelligence cannot be a legal inventor
#63Patents should be eradicated from this planet. China will outgrow US/EU/Japan because they have little enforcement for these things and execution matters, not ideas.
patents serve the function of getting people to reveal new novel ideas and share them. Without them everything would be a trade secret and the workplace would turn into an intrigue minefield.
I'd wager that the overwhelming vast majority of patents are incremental ideas that all experts in the specialization are capable of producing on their own.
And the ones that aren't incremental are mostly just prophetic and useless to society. E.g. use VR to train surgeons or perform surgery. I bet there's many patents out there like that and if you followed them on the day they were filed you'd only kill patients.
Re: US patent office rules that artificial intelligence cannot be a legal inventor
#64Patents should be eradicated from this planet. China will outgrow US/EU/Japan because they have little enforcement for these things and execution matters, not ideas.
IP norms are a small reason among many related reasons why China will outgrow US/EU/Japan. In China, everything is for the collective, the nation, the 100-year plan. In the West everything is for the self. We're happy to tear each other apart for the chance at getting some individual gains. I think it's pretty clear which of these cultures wins out in the long term.
> In the West everything is for the self. We're happy to tear each other apart for the chance at getting some individual gains.
If that were the case, we wouldn't have the concept of "the West". The West is a collectivist idea.
As a matter of fact, "the West" is even more of a collectivist idea than china since china is a nation but "the West" is a collection of nations centered around race/culture.
For china to be "collectivistic" on our level, they'd have to build up an idea of "the East" or "East Asia" Or "Asia" to counter "the West". They, being too shortsighted or individualistic, haven't created such an idea/institution.
The "individualistic" west and "collectivist" east is nonsense. People are people and it's the same all around. Was the US, british empire or nazi germany any less collectivistic than china today? Is white supremacy or german nationalism any less collectivistic than chinese nationalism or japanese nationalism?
I don't see the difference.
Re: US patent office rules that artificial intelligence cannot be a legal inventor
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
IP norms are a small reason among many related reasons why China will outgrow US/EU/Japan. In China, everything is for the collective, the nation, the 100-year plan. In the West everything is for the self. We're happy to tear each other apart for the chance at getting some individual gains. I think it's pretty clear which of these cultures wins out in the long term.
> In the West everything is for the self. We're happy to tear each other apart for the chance at getting some individual gains. If that were the case, we wouldn't have the concept of "the West". The West is a collectivist idea. As a matter of fact, "the West" is even more of a collectivist idea than china since china is a nation but "the West" is a collection of nations centered around race/culture. For china to be "…
I think you're playing semantics here.
The collective, nationalistic culture of China isn't a fact in dispute. The fact that the West acts as a union of extremely disparate and unique nations in league is not even remotely comparable to China's united national front.
Re: US patent office rules that artificial intelligence cannot be a legal inventor
#66Patents should be eradicated from this planet. China will outgrow US/EU/Japan because they have little enforcement for these things and execution matters, not ideas.
I simply don't understand how we managed to justify this patent and intellectual property mess in the capitalist system. Capitalism is all about competition and the right to choose the better product, whereas the current system encourages monopoly. I don't understand.
> Capitalism is all about competition
I think you missed the memo.
Capitalism is about socializing losses, and privatizing profits.
It's about building moats to prevent competition.
It's about lobbying to raise the drawbridge after you won.
That's the reality of US capitalism.
If you want to see a billionaire smile, just say "Capitalism is all about competition." I guarantee it will make his day. You might even get a pat on the head!
Re: US patent office rules that artificial intelligence cannot be a legal inventor
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In the West everything is for the self. We're happy to tear each other apart for the chance at getting some individual gains. If that were the case, we wouldn't have the concept of "the West". The West is a collectivist idea. As a matter of fact, "the West" is even more of a collectivist idea than china since china is a nation but "the West" is a collection of nations centered around race/culture. For china to be "…
I think you're playing semantics here. The collective, nationalistic culture of China isn't a fact in dispute. The fact that the West acts as a union of extremely disparate and unique nations in league is not even remotely comparable to China's united national front.
> I think you're playing semantics here.
Where?
> The collective, nationalistic culture of China isn't a fact in dispute.
Really? If they are so collectivistic and nationalistic, how come there is two of them ( china and taiwan )?
> The fact that the West acts as a union of extremely disparate and unique nations
Extremely disparate and unique? It's pretty much a white western european club. If we are so different what is this borg-like idea of "western values"? There is nothing unique about "the West". Actually, "the West" is the antithesis of unique. We are borg-like in our insistence that everyone adopt "western values" - whatever nonsense that is.
> in league is not even remotely comparable to China's united national front.
I know. That's my point. The West is even a greater kind of collectivism. It's a higher form of collectivism which allows the West to rule "the Rest".
At a national level, the collectivism is pretty much the same. What makes the West unique is that have a higher form of collectivism. It's why "the West", not an individual country is attacking china. It's also why there is no "the East" backing/helping china.
The silliness about western individuality and eastern collectivism is a decades old trope not born out in reality - at an individual, national or supranational level.
Re: US patent office rules that artificial intelligence cannot be a legal inventor
#68My guess is the Patent Office doesn't want to be swamped by some machine learning equivalent of adding 'on a computer' to every verb in the dictionary.
More like they don't want to be flooded by fully automated patent filings without a fully automated patent reviewer.
Why? It costs money to file a patent, this would be an excellent source of revenue.
Re: US patent office rules that artificial intelligence cannot be a legal inventor
#69Anything an existing AI "invented" is not an invention. It should go directly to common knowledge. One could argue the AI that did the inventing could be patented somehow.
Re: US patent office rules that artificial intelligence cannot be a legal inventor
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you're playing semantics here. The collective, nationalistic culture of China isn't a fact in dispute. The fact that the West acts as a union of extremely disparate and unique nations in league is not even remotely comparable to China's united national front.
> I think you're playing semantics here. Where? > The collective, nationalistic culture of China isn't a fact in dispute. Really? If they are so collectivistic and nationalistic, how come there is two of them ( china and taiwan )? > The fact that the West acts as a union of extremely disparate and unique nations Extremely disparate and unique? It's pretty much a white western european club. If we are so different wha…
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