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Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol

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Post by sloum »

silvi9 wrote: post #28
scoopdewoop wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've wanted to make something like this, and I'm happy to see its here because implementing a client looks like a lot of fun. Here is why I want a simpler web: The NewYorkTimes wont be there! Neither will google or facebook or shopify or influencers or clickbait even! I want a web that is hard to make money from. Something that doesn't support fingerprinting and ad tracking, where my interests aren't at odds with the…

That sounds like an online utopia, almost like the feeling of discovering the joy of the internet again. I want that too.

That is how I felt when I discovered gopher and then went on to work on gemini. I can wholeheartedly recommend both communities.

Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol

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Post by sloum »

ReactiveJelly wrote: post #8

I see that they've specified both a transport protocol, to replace HTTPS, and a document format, to replace HTML. BLUF: They should have just run the text/gemini format on top of HTTPS 1.1, make a gemini --> HTML formatter, and maybe a restricted subset of HTTPS, and called it a day. Replacing HTTPS is a waste of time. Also, most of the benefits of the document format could be gotten with a sane subset of HTML. There…

I can tell you, from having been involved in a number of the discussions on the mailing list, that these points were definitely discussed. There were a number of people on your side. HTML subsets were discussed, as was using markdown (or a markdown subset). In the end a simple link syntax was chosen along with a few optional items. The simple link syntax is much more than a stripped down html 1.0... it is gopher but with a better syntax that is easier for non-developers to generate content with.

Gemini isn't perfect and is definitely a work in progress that serves a purpose and fits a niche. In my opinion it is geared more to converting people from gopher to gemini rather than from the web to gemini, though I hope we'll get some of both :)

Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol

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Post by sloum »

bovermyer wrote: post #11

Here's the source for one of the clients (Bombadillo): https://tildegit.org/sloum/bombadillo

Thanks for linking! More info can be found here: http://bombadillo.colorfield.space for those that are interested. A number of other clients also host at tildegit.org (a search for gemini will probably yield them).

Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol

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Post by dsr_ »

brink wrote: post #21
heavenlyblue wrote: post #16

It’s like religion - one of the reasons they say Christianity won over Judaism is because they didn’t require one to circumcise before the initiation. Yet both are equally rejecting of any other religion.

It also helps that the Jewish books predicted Christianity. Isaiah 53, for example.

Only if you choose to interpret it that way, while ignoring other bits.

Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol

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Post by dsr_ »

thefounder wrote: post #19
heavenlyblue wrote: post #16

It’s like religion - one of the reasons they say Christianity won over Judaism is because they didn’t require one to circumcise before the initiation. Yet both are equally rejecting of any other religion.

Judaism is also quite "racist". There is only one "chosen" people. Everyone else would be/is a second citizen. Who would join a religion to be 2nd citizen?

Judaism is clear that God's choosing is not a thing to be desired.

Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol

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Post by azinman2 »

sloum wrote: post #29
azinman2 wrote: post #24

“ In the same way that many people currently serve the same content via gopher and the web” Is this actually true?

In my experience the gopher community is very split on this concept with many people doing just that, but many others (myself included) wishing that gopher/web proxies and cross posting did not exist at all.

Is there much (any) gopher community left?

Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol

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Post by colinplamondon »

ChristianBundy wrote: post #27
colinplamondon wrote: post #13

This is so intensely cool. Urbit was on its own island until recently - the only project challenging the domination of WWW. This + Tildeverse feels like the very, very, very early days of hackers starting to play with alternate protocols, and the style and format of WWW. It's fun, non-commercial, social, and aimed at hobbyists - just like the early WWW. Given another 10 years of experimentation, I could 100% imagine…

> Urbit was on its own island until recently In what way?

This might be me missing some awesome projects, but I haven't heard of many other projects with Urbit's scale of ambition and scope.

WWW is so powerful, everything exists within it. There's not much competition at the OS layer, and virtually none at the protocol level.

Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol

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Post by astrobe_ »

sloum wrote: post #32
ReactiveJelly wrote: post #8

I see that they've specified both a transport protocol, to replace HTTPS, and a document format, to replace HTML. BLUF: They should have just run the text/gemini format on top of HTTPS 1.1, make a gemini --> HTML formatter, and maybe a restricted subset of HTTPS, and called it a day. Replacing HTTPS is a waste of time. Also, most of the benefits of the document format could be gotten with a sane subset of HTML. There…

I can tell you, from having been involved in a number of the discussions on the mailing list, that these points were definitely discussed. There were a number of people on your side. HTML subsets were discussed, as was using markdown (or a markdown subset). In the end a simple link syntax was chosen along with a few optional items. The simple link syntax is much more than a stripped down html 1.0... it is gopher but…

Did someone also pointed out that CRLF is a pointless Microsoftian archaism? There's no need anymore to use two characters to mark the end of a line.

Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol

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Post by spc476 »

ReactiveJelly wrote: post #8

I see that they've specified both a transport protocol, to replace HTTPS, and a document format, to replace HTML. BLUF: They should have just run the text/gemini format on top of HTTPS 1.1, make a gemini --> HTML formatter, and maybe a restricted subset of HTTPS, and called it a day. Replacing HTTPS is a waste of time. Also, most of the benefits of the document format could be gotten with a sane subset of HTML. There…

With respect to the status codes, the original spec was worse (single digit response codes) than what exists now. I didn't agree with the original spec, so when I wrote my own Gemini server [1][2] I reused codes from HTTP. It was only after a drawn out discussion between myself and the original designer that a compromise was struck and we ended up with two digit response codes (and redirects---those weren't in the original spec either).

[1] https://github.com/spc476/GLV-1.12556

[2] It was the first Gemini server to be written.

Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol

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Post by GuiA »

pianoben wrote: post #20
thefounder wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Judaism is also quite "racist". There is only one "chosen" people. Everyone else would be/is a second citizen. Who would join a religion to be 2nd citizen?

I'd encourage you to actually attend a synagogue service, or even just have a chat with a real-life Jewish person, before exposing yourself to ridicule as you have here. In my life as a Jewish person, I've never _once_ hear a rabbi even hint as such a sentiment. Converts are treated exactly as Jewish as those who are born into the faith. What leads you to think otherwise?

Most every religion does have that bias of "we know better, we've got the holy texts, if you're not with us you're doomed/clueless/need to be saved/unlucky".

The fact that modern practitioners in your geographic locale of choice aren't as bigoted as their more literal brethren doesn't mean much, except perhaps that there is hope in undoing the more harmful superstitiousness of religion by raising quality of living (for all, regardless of faith).

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