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But let's compare them anyway. "we find that the novel coronavirus killed between 9.5 and 44 times more people than seasonal flu." That was easy wasn't it.
so we go from >3,448 to 15,620 confirmed deaths to >25,000 to 69,000 estimated deaths? It's no wonder Americans have trust issues with medical experts. That's an absurd number created just to scare people into getting vaccinated. Which appears to be the authors opinion as well. > While in the past it was justifiable to err on the side of substantially overestimating flu deaths, in order to encourage vaccination and g…
Shouldn't that make us skeptical?
> The CDC should immediately change how it reports flu deaths. While in the past it was justifiable to err on the side of substantially overestimating flu deaths, in order to encourage vaccination and good hygiene
Doctors, scientists, and the CDC, basically everyone we've been told to always trust when it comes to these matters, are and have been 'substantially' inflating flu death numbers to manipulate public behavior (e.g. to get more people to be vaccinated).
As well intentioned as that may be it is exactly why some people are skeptical about the flu vaccine. They sense manipulation and run from it. This patronizing behavior from the scientific and political class is destructive.
so we go from >3,448 to 15,620 confirmed deaths to >25,000 to 69,000 estimated deaths? It's no wonder Americans have trust issues with medical experts. That's an absurd number created just to scare people into getting vaccinated. Which appears to be the authors opinion as well. > While in the past it was justifiable to err on the side of substantially overestimating flu deaths, in order to encourage vaccination and g…
A simple Google search will provide you with actual data sets, nationally, state wide, and even globally, by very competent scientists, some of whom have studied this specifically for decades.
There are various places you can research for example: FluView, FluMomo, Virologic Surveillance, Journal of Infectious Diseases, etc.
I recently read, Influenza-attributable deaths, Canada 1990–1999 Published online by Cambridge University Press , so this MD's Scientific American blog post comes across as pure garbage.
so we go from >3,448 to 15,620 confirmed deaths to >25,000 to 69,000 estimated deaths? It's no wonder Americans have trust issues with medical experts. That's an absurd number created just to scare people into getting vaccinated. Which appears to be the authors opinion as well. > While in the past it was justifiable to err on the side of substantially overestimating flu deaths, in order to encourage vaccination and g…
I know in tech there's a tendency to do something similar when faced with clueless management, feeding just the information you know they need to hear to get them to make the right choice and think they came up with it themselves. Really don't like this applied on a society level though.
But let's compare them anyway. "we find that the novel coronavirus killed between 9.5 and 44 times more people than seasonal flu." That was easy wasn't it.
Was it?
I don’t get it. I found that there so far have been covid 234,133 deaths [0] and season flu can cause up to 646,000 deaths [1].
So I’m not seeing 9x to 44x by any reasonable metric or projection. What am I missing?
If 9 to 44x is possible, there need to be models that would show that. Does anyone have a model that shows we aren’t even remotely near peak deaths?
Even if the article is right and seasonal flu was vastly over reported by the CDC as a “for your own good” tactic, I’m STILL not seeing 9x to 44x.
[0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1087466/covid19-cases-re...
[1] https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=2...
EDIT: Article uses worst week covid compared to worst week flu... talk about Apples to Oranges!?
But let's compare them anyway. "we find that the novel coronavirus killed between 9.5 and 44 times more people than seasonal flu." That was easy wasn't it.
The point was comparing reported COVID deaths to statistically extrapolated flu deaths is apples to oranges. What you quoted was a comparison of reported deaths to reported deaths.
I suppose this would be a better title of the article.
But let's compare them anyway. "we find that the novel coronavirus killed between 9.5 and 44 times more people than seasonal flu." That was easy wasn't it.
>That was easy wasn't it. Was it? I don’t get it. I found that there so far have been covid 234,133 deaths [0] and season flu can cause up to 646,000 deaths [1]. So I’m not seeing 9x to 44x by any reasonable metric or projection. What am I missing? If 9 to 44x is possible, there need to be models that would show that. Does anyone have a model that shows we aren’t even remotely near peak deaths? Even if the article is…
It's right there in your comment:
> so far
(Also, the rest of the paragraph that 9-44x number comes from:)
> To do this, we have to compare counted deaths to counted deaths, not counted deaths to wildly inflated statistical estimates. If we compare, for instance, the number of people who died in the United States from COVID-19 in the second full week of April to the number of people who died from influenza during the worst week of the past seven flu seasons (as reported to the CDC), we find that the novel coronavirus killed between 9.5 and 44 times more people than seasonal flu.