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Re: I’ve Consed Every Pair

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Post by parasubvert »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #85
silviogutierrez wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Write down what you eat. Even if you change nothing, you'll re-consider grazing/snacking. Write it down before you eat it for extra effectiveness. Shameless plugs in my post history. But to be clear, even a sheet of paper can be tremendously helpful.

As a person who recalls every bite and gains weight at one meal a day with no snacking at all, this is not helpful. I'm still looking for advice on why I'm being told to count my food intake in a lisp discussion.

This is no more a lisp discussion than a Johnny Cash discussion. You can ignore the top post if it doesn’t interest you.

As an aside, obesity is a disease that hormonally and mentally encourages self deception. The point of writing everything down and (most importantly) translating this list into objective calorie counts (usually looked up from a third party reference) is to remove this self deception. It is one of the most effective ways to leverage logic and willpower over habits and hormones. There are other ways of course.

Re: I’ve Consed Every Pair

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Post by eyelidlessness »

parasubvert wrote: post #91
eyelidlessness wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a person who recalls every bite and gains weight at one meal a day with no snacking at all, this is not helpful. I'm still looking for advice on why I'm being told to count my food intake in a lisp discussion.

This is no more a lisp discussion than a Johnny Cash discussion. You can ignore the top post if it doesn’t interest you. As an aside, obesity is a disease that hormonally and mentally encourages self deception. The point of writing everything down and (most importantly) translating this list into objective calorie counts (usually looked up from a third party reference) is to remove this self deception. It is one of t…

The post is a topic that discusses tech. The commenter discussed eating advice to “avoid getting fat” that is plainly unbelievable to people who experience weight gain following said advice and who don’t benefit from being told to starve themselves more or be more hyper aware of the fact that it doesn’t matter how little they eat they gain weight. The post had nothing to do with getting fat.

Of course I’m welcome to ignore everything that makes me feel bad for gaining weight but it’s shitty to be gaining weight and told it’s my fault for eating too much when I barely eat.

Re: I’ve Consed Every Pair

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Post by DonHopkins »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #81
jedberg wrote: post #14

The most important thing I ever learned from Professor Norvig was how to not get fat at Google. He said, "Never take a tray. If it won't fit on one plate, it's too much". A wise man. I mean I suppose some of the stuff I learned from his textbook was pretty useful too.

What advice would you give to those of us who struggle with our weight, regardless of the size of our plate, who came here to discuss lisp and not what the author of the blog post said to you one time about food portions?

The first three letters of "FOOD" are "FOO", so it's related to Lisp, because "FOO" is a meta-syntactic variable commonly used in Lisp expressions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo

Re: I’ve Consed Every Pair

#94

Post by User23 »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #92
parasubvert wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is no more a lisp discussion than a Johnny Cash discussion. You can ignore the top post if it doesn’t interest you. As an aside, obesity is a disease that hormonally and mentally encourages self deception. The point of writing everything down and (most importantly) translating this list into objective calorie counts (usually looked up from a third party reference) is to remove this self deception. It is one of t…

The post is a topic that discusses tech. The commenter discussed eating advice to “avoid getting fat” that is plainly unbelievable to people who experience weight gain following said advice and who don’t benefit from being told to starve themselves more or be more hyper aware of the fact that it doesn’t matter how little they eat they gain weight. The post had nothing to do with getting fat. Of course I’m welcome to…

Have you tried lifting heavy weights? Follow a program like Starting Strength and make that calorie surplus work for you. Being skinnyfat isn’t really a compelling goal. Lift and gaining weight becomes a good thing, because it means you’re putting on muscle.

Re: I’ve Consed Every Pair

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Post by karatestomp »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #85
silviogutierrez wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Write down what you eat. Even if you change nothing, you'll re-consider grazing/snacking. Write it down before you eat it for extra effectiveness. Shameless plugs in my post history. But to be clear, even a sheet of paper can be tremendously helpful.

As a person who recalls every bite and gains weight at one meal a day with no snacking at all, this is not helpful. I'm still looking for advice on why I'm being told to count my food intake in a lisp discussion.

I’ve done a diet in which I used packaged and prepared food for ease of calorie counting and ate about 1400 calories a day for couple months. I also did a lot more aerobic exercise than I usually did (running, bicycling, elliptical machines).

Result? Not what any of the “calories in calories out” calculators claimed. About a pound down. Should have been more like seven to ten.

What works for me: weight lifting, swimming. Both wildly more effective than they “should” be. Dieting and aerobic exercise do about dick-all to take fat off my frame. Try various things in various combinations.

Re: I’ve Consed Every Pair

#97

Post by parasubvert »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #92
parasubvert wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is no more a lisp discussion than a Johnny Cash discussion. You can ignore the top post if it doesn’t interest you. As an aside, obesity is a disease that hormonally and mentally encourages self deception. The point of writing everything down and (most importantly) translating this list into objective calorie counts (usually looked up from a third party reference) is to remove this self deception. It is one of t…

The post is a topic that discusses tech. The commenter discussed eating advice to “avoid getting fat” that is plainly unbelievable to people who experience weight gain following said advice and who don’t benefit from being told to starve themselves more or be more hyper aware of the fact that it doesn’t matter how little they eat they gain weight. The post had nothing to do with getting fat. Of course I’m welcome to…

The topic was an amusing anecdote from Peter Norvig with a tech slant. Other anecdotes are likely on topic

Regarding Obesity, I am not assigning blame or trying to make you feel bad. I’m calling the situation (that I too suffer from) a disease. There are various practices, with varying effectiveness for individuals, to approach the management of this disease. There is no fault in disease, there are only victims of it.

Portion control is one practice, as is writing down consumption. They might not be effective for you. I have been most successful with protein sparing modified fasts such as Lyle McDonald’s rapid fat loss and/or flexible dieting. He takes a very scientific approach to body composition and realistic food intake without shame.

Re: I’ve Consed Every Pair

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Post by odkamkfn »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #81
jedberg wrote: post #14

The most important thing I ever learned from Professor Norvig was how to not get fat at Google. He said, "Never take a tray. If it won't fit on one plate, it's too much". A wise man. I mean I suppose some of the stuff I learned from his textbook was pretty useful too.

What advice would you give to those of us who struggle with our weight, regardless of the size of our plate, who came here to discuss lisp and not what the author of the blog post said to you one time about food portions?

You're lying to yourself. Your plate is still too big. Good luck!

Re: I’ve Consed Every Pair

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Post by DonHopkins »

jakear wrote: post #55

Probably familiar to some of you, but a song you can actually listen to along the same vein, showed to me by Sussman: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=god+wrote+lisp&view=det...

Maybe he's not as as mellifluous as that, but here's a recording Mitch Bradley singing the Open Firmware theme song! But at least he's more mellifluous than Richard Stallman singing the Free Software song.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9844026

That same Open Firmware Forth system [1], which was developed by Mitch Bradley [2], was not only in the PowerPC Mac bios, but it was originally used for the SparcStation boot roms, and eventually in the OLPC, and it was even an IEEE Standard 1275-1994!

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Firmware

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Bradley

In fact: the Open Firmware boot loader and plug-in card firmware interface technology, commonly used by both Sun and Apple, is the only firmware standard in existence to have its own theme song [3] !!!

[3] https://web.archive.org/web/20070204145613/http://playground...

    : OpenFirmwareSong ( -  )
        \ By Mitch Bradley.
        \ Sung to the tune of "The Flintstones".
        𝄞
        ." Firmware" cr
        ." Open Firmware" cr
        ." It's the appropriate technology," cr
        ." Features" cr
        ." FCode booting" cr
        ." Hierarchical DevInfo tree." cr
        ." Hack Forth" cr
        ." Using Emacs on the keys," cr
        ." Save in" cr
        ." NVRAM if you please." cr
        𝄒 cr
        ." With your" cr
        ." Open Firmware" cr
        ." You can fix the bugs in no time" cr
        ." Bring the kernel up in no time" cr
        ." We'll have an FCode time!" cr
        𝄒 cr
        \ Thank you and good night!
        reboot
    ;
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