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Re: Cliqz is shutting down

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I spent a good amount of time using Cliqz. For creating their own search index, it was pretty good. But it was nowhere near as good as Google or Bing, and to the average end-user that's all that matters. Most people don't really care about the engineering behind a tool, they just want the tool to work. The company name never bothered me, but from the comments it looks like I'm in the minority there. Is it any worse t…

The search really wasn't bad. I made some test searches and wrote a small article about it, comparing the results. Cliqz did really well in it. Not everything was perfect, but neither was Google. I was impressed enough to use them as my own search engine and that worked just fine. Sure, sometimes necessary to switch over, but that's the same with ddg. I would have loved to see how they'd perform in a few years.

And while I don't like some political positions of the backing publisher they had: It is true that Europe and Germany needs enterprises like that, companies that can be alternatives to the US tech giants. Not sure they should be publicly funded, but should they get support? Of course.

Thanks for the link to Mojeek, seems worth a look.

Btw, https://cliqz.com/en/magazine/farewell-from-cliqz is maybe a more fitting link target for the submission with the current title (dang?).

Re: Cliqz is shutting down

#32
post #2

Good riddance. "Privacy-oriented" is the most egregious tagline I've ever seen from a company like Cliqz. Their real motus operandi was spying on users for targeted ads. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliqz#Integration_with_Firefox

It's the greatest shame in the Firefox history.

Re: Cliqz is shutting down

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I'm sorry to see this, I was looking forward to their Android web browser that intended to support the Dat protocol: - https://github.com/cliqz/cliqz-concept-browser - https://github.com/cliqz/daisy I love Beaker Browser and its vision for a P2P web, but it hasn't had a major release in a while (despite seemingly having active development) and it appears it will be desktop-only for the foreseeable future. I don't thi…

Beaker's going to finally release a new version in ~2 weeks. No solution to the mobile browser yet, but I hope somebody will pick up the mantle from Cliqz and Busnen.

Re: Cliqz is shutting down

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Cliqz was a hypocritical product right from the start, and it never attracted a large userbase. The only reason it survived that long because the company behind Cliqz didn't care about throwing lots of money into the idea of creating a competition to google. Second, the product doesn't provide any practical benefit to google users, so there is no point to switch. Cliqz didn't realize that you can't sell privacy as a…

Not sure what happened to my comment. It was a reply to the discussion below about Brave.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23032085

Re: Cliqz is shutting down

#35

Cliqz was a hypocritical product right from the start, and it never attracted a large userbase. The only reason it survived that long because the company behind Cliqz didn't care about throwing lots of money into the idea of creating a competition to google. Second, the product doesn't provide any practical benefit to google users, so there is no point to switch. Cliqz didn't realize that you can't sell privacy as a…

In fewer words, Brave won't fail because their "product that works" is Chrome.

Well, it's Chromium, and that's the caveat: In the past, there has been at least one DRM-related issue[1], which needed to be resolved by - Google, because they own Widevine. So you need your competitor to be able to provide an adequate product. Let's say that's kind of subpar.

[1]: https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop/issues/10449

Re: Cliqz is shutting down

#36
Can we please just get the old AltaVista graphical clustering back in a search engine? Please?

Presumably the problem is monetizing it. I don't have good answers for that.

Ads are obvious. However, that introduces the perverse incentives that everybody complains about.

Re: Cliqz is shutting down

#37
Ok, so it's kind of difficult to compete with Google. I get that. How about building decentralized search engines? Basically ActivityPub, but for search engines.

Any known efforts in this direction?

Re: Cliqz is shutting down

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Cliqz was a hypocritical product right from the start, and it never attracted a large userbase. The only reason it survived that long because the company behind Cliqz didn't care about throwing lots of money into the idea of creating a competition to google. Second, the product doesn't provide any practical benefit to google users, so there is no point to switch. Cliqz didn't realize that you can't sell privacy as a…

Just for archive reasons. There are some interesting points worth addressing (IMHO). Of course I worked at Cliqz :-)

"The company only survived because of the investor throw a lot of money". 100% correct, and that speaks greatly about the investor. They believe that Google is a monopoly that needs to fought, as many others. But, instead of (or on top of) bitching and moaning, lobbying, etc. they put good money where their mouth was. Kudos for that.

Privacy was never Cliqz primary product. Privacy was a strict design requirement of Cliqz, which can be marketed more or less. Data collection and browsers alike, we wanted them to be private, because that's the right thing to do, even if it was more difficult to implement. The whole data vs. privacy argument is fallacious. One of the reasons why privacy was so important to us is precisely now, whoever ends up owning the data cannot learn anything about any of the users. Imagine the government getting Google's data if they go belly up or upon "legal" request (change Google by any other company). The data of Cliqz poses no risk to any user, including myself.

The primary product of Cliqz was search, either as the typical result page or instant search integrated on the browser. That's very difficult to build, and expensive, something that DuckDuckGo, Startpage, Qwant, etc. do not have to pay because they rely on the backend of others (not 100%, but mostly). If we were repackaging Bing/Google/Yandex with a different ranking twists, our quality would have been better from the beginning, of course. But that's not building an alternative to Google, which is what we wanted. Still, that's not a pun to DDG and others, what they provide has value to the users, of course. But they are not real alternative, kind of an electric car that gets its electricity from burning coal.

Brave is a great browser, respects to Brendan and team. We both "fight" against Google. For Brave it's Chrome, for Cliqz was both Chrome and Search. Too much to chew? Yes, but we had plenty of fun. The only thing I regret after +6 years working there is the loss of such a great team.

Re: Cliqz is shutting down

#39
post #8

Up until a certain threshold, I think company names are unimportant and one can succeed despite having a silly name. But once a company steps over that threshold with a name like "Cliqz", it becomes difficult to overcome the embarrassment you're generating whenever someone has to read or say your company name out loud. A common argument I've seen used to defend bad names is "Google and Twitter have silly names, and t…

The name and the logo and the front lobby photo had me convinced it was some fashion or salon type business.

I do remember "iPad" sounding just bizarre. Now it's household.

Re: Cliqz is shutting down

#40

Ok, so it's kind of difficult to compete with Google. I get that. How about building decentralized search engines? Basically ActivityPub, but for search engines. Any known efforts in this direction?

There is YaCy which has pretty terrible results but is P2P. There used to be a P2P search engine called FAROO that was better but seems to have been shutdown.

I wrote a blog post comparing search results quality earlier this year. YaCy came in last, even behind Cliqz.

https://www.kylepiira.com/2020/02/07/which-search-engine-has...

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