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Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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Re: Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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Post by acqq »

toasted_flakes wrote: post #40
acqq wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they still persist with the idiocy Also, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries is Belgium at this moment, except for San Marino of only 30,000 inhabitants, the country with the highest death rate in the world from coronavirus epidemics , per million of population: San Marino: 1,208 Belgium: 655 Spain: 519 Italy: 458 UK: 384 France: 369 Netherlands: 275 Sweden: 244 USA: 186 Germany: 77 Gr…

Belgium counts all deaths from care homes as COVID-19 deaths. Hardly a fair comparison, even if I have my gripes with the politics.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-52466471/page/3

"29 Apr: The death toll from the virus in the UK rises to more than 26,000 after care home deaths are included for first time"

Apart from that, luckily, we have also "all deaths" (for any reason whatsoever) statistics for participating EU countries (and, still, UK), so we can compare these too:

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

Even there Belgium has had quite high z-score ("computed on the de-trended and de-seasonalized series"), although there are two obviously worse at the peak: UK (much worse and without any indication of improving at the moment, according to the available statistics) and Spain, which already improved.

At the moment it seems to me that it was mostly the UK that just didn't report correctly, not that the others overreported.

Re: Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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Post by 9HZZRfNlpR »

toasted_flakes wrote: post #40
acqq wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they still persist with the idiocy Also, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries is Belgium at this moment, except for San Marino of only 30,000 inhabitants, the country with the highest death rate in the world from coronavirus epidemics , per million of population: San Marino: 1,208 Belgium: 655 Spain: 519 Italy: 458 UK: 384 France: 369 Netherlands: 275 Sweden: 244 USA: 186 Germany: 77 Gr…

Belgium counts all deaths from care homes as COVID-19 deaths. Hardly a fair comparison, even if I have my gripes with the politics.

This is often problem with comparing covid19 stats, or any stats for that matter.

Re: Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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Post by rv-de »

PeterStuer wrote: post #34

From the opposite side of the spectrum, meet Antwerp Belgium. First thing they did under the guise of "Corona measures' was lift the low emission zone so the most heavily polluting vehicles could once again roam free in the city, and make all on street parking free. Their pretends that this was 'to give maximal access to care workers' fell flat immediately as all caseworkers that needed city access already had comply…

The stuff I read about Brussels recently on the news tells a different story.

To give one example:

"Brussels has gone yet further. From May 4, the Belgian capital’s entire city core will be a priority zone for cyclists and pedestrians, one in which cars cannot exceed a speed of 20 kph and must give way in the roads to people on foot or on bikes. This comes on top of an ongoing pedestrianization plan designed to make Brussels’ core a more attractive place for people on foot."

https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2020/04/coronavirus-r...

Re: Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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Post by tinus_hn »

acqq wrote: post #38
PeterStuer wrote: post #34

From the opposite side of the spectrum, meet Antwerp Belgium. First thing they did under the guise of "Corona measures' was lift the low emission zone so the most heavily polluting vehicles could once again roam free in the city, and make all on street parking free. Their pretends that this was 'to give maximal access to care workers' fell flat immediately as all caseworkers that needed city access already had comply…

> they still persist with the idiocy Also, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries is Belgium at this moment, except for San Marino of only 30,000 inhabitants, the country with the highest death rate in the world from coronavirus epidemics , per million of population: San Marino: 1,208 Belgium: 655 Spain: 519 Italy: 458 UK: 384 France: 369 Netherlands: 275 Sweden: 244 USA: 186 Germany: 77 Gr…

Ironically they were all rolling over each other to call out the Dutch response as too lax and a prelude to doom and disaster.

Re: Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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Post by ianleeclark »

bzb3 wrote: post #37
ashtonkem wrote: post #2

Hopefully some of it remains after. Car centered cities are awful for human beings, we should reclaim some of this space for us.

>Car centered cities are awful for human beings, we should reclaim some of this space for us. This might sound shocking, but cars are driven by human beings. When a human being is driving a car, the space taken by that car is actually being used by a human being.

A portion of that space is being occupied by a human, but it's not all being used by the human. We both know you know this.

Re: Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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Post by StavrosK »

rv-de wrote: post #43
PeterStuer wrote: post #34

From the opposite side of the spectrum, meet Antwerp Belgium. First thing they did under the guise of "Corona measures' was lift the low emission zone so the most heavily polluting vehicles could once again roam free in the city, and make all on street parking free. Their pretends that this was 'to give maximal access to care workers' fell flat immediately as all caseworkers that needed city access already had comply…

The stuff I read about Brussels recently on the news tells a different story. To give one example: "Brussels has gone yet further. From May 4, the Belgian capital’s entire city core will be a priority zone for cyclists and pedestrians, one in which cars cannot exceed a speed of 20 kph and must give way in the roads to people on foot or on bikes. This comes on top of an ongoing pedestrianization plan designed to make…

Yes, but Brussels is not Antwerp.

Re: Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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Post by PeterStuer »

rv-de wrote: post #43
PeterStuer wrote: post #34

From the opposite side of the spectrum, meet Antwerp Belgium. First thing they did under the guise of "Corona measures' was lift the low emission zone so the most heavily polluting vehicles could once again roam free in the city, and make all on street parking free. Their pretends that this was 'to give maximal access to care workers' fell flat immediately as all caseworkers that needed city access already had comply…

The stuff I read about Brussels recently on the news tells a different story. To give one example: "Brussels has gone yet further. From May 4, the Belgian capital’s entire city core will be a priority zone for cyclists and pedestrians, one in which cars cannot exceed a speed of 20 kph and must give way in the roads to people on foot or on bikes. This comes on top of an ongoing pedestrianization plan designed to make…

Brussels is run by a socialist/green coalition and has been doing great things for sustainable mobility.

Antwerp is run by a populist extreme right neoliberal party.

Re: Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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Post by KptMarchewa »

darkstar_16 wrote: post #5
fyfy18 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This move is mainly about taking existing pedestrian spaces, and making them available for bars and restaurants. The city has a lot of parks and plazas, that are often used to host outdoor events and festivals - which won't be happening this year. Since last year part of the main street (Gedimino Pr.) has been pedestrian only during weekends, so already restaurants have been able to use that for seating, and this ext…

Vilnius is one of the most beautiful capital cities I've had the pleasure of travelling to, and the one that can really pull this off. Low density of population, huge parks and open spaces. It's beautiful.

Low density compared to NYC or London or another huge city. Not a low density compared to US sprawling cities.

Re: Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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Post by [deleted] »

anjc wrote: post #32
ashtonkem wrote: post #2

Hopefully some of it remains after. Car centered cities are awful for human beings, we should reclaim some of this space for us.

> Car centered cities are awful for human beings Do you just mean that a car centred city is more noisy and dirty than an economically-equivalent city that has fewer cars? They've been amazing for human beings if you take a broader/longer perspective.

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Re: Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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Post by dzhiurgis »

lampe3 wrote: post #7
ashtonkem wrote: post #2

Hopefully some of it remains after. Car centered cities are awful for human beings, we should reclaim some of this space for us.

Hello from Vilnius, the City already has parking zones. As a normal person its very hard to park in the City center. Here is some information: https://www.govilnius.lt/plan-your-trip/getting-around/parki... Also, some streets are already car-free and only delivery vehicals can enter them.

Traffic in Vokieciu, Traku, etc streets is a shit show. I've been advocating for ages the old town needs to be shut completely. It has such an amazing potential if not for stupid cars there.

That said, Vilnius needs to improve traffic hotspots a lot. Rush hours exist everywhere, but Vilnius is noticeably bad. Bus lanes needs better isolation too (some form of Rapid Bus implementation).

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