CEO of Banjo admitted to being a Neo-Nazi skinhead in his youth • Hacker News Board

Re: CEO of Banjo admitted to being a Neo-Nazi skinhead in his youth

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Post by boomboomsubban » Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 3:08 PM UTC

koheripbal wrote: post #238

boomboomsubban wrote: post #157

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This is a good starting point outlining some of the major incidents https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/27/us/military-white-nationa... I don't expect the commanders still preach a racist creed like they did for the first ~150 years, but they still tend to just ignore soldier's ties to white supremacy. For example, the USMC finally outlawed the public display of the Confederate flag this month. And white supremacy groups…

Is any of this worse than the rate of racism in society in general? How does this make it impossible that he reformed in the Navy? 30% of women and 17% of men in the US military are black. If there was rampant racism, I think we'd see a lot more trouble than the sources you've listed.

>Is any of this worse than the rate of racism in society in general? How does this make it impossible that he reformed in the Navy?

It's hard to believe he was able to "get away from this world" in the Navy, an institution where that world very much still existed. It may have happened, but it also sounds like using your time in the military to shield you from criticism.

>30% of women and 17% of men in the US military are black. If there was rampant racism, I think we'd see a lot more trouble than the sources you've listed

I was providing sources showing links with white supremacy, not racist events.

Re: CEO of Banjo admitted to being a Neo-Nazi skinhead in his youth

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 5:00 PM UTC

weeksie wrote: post #165

z9e wrote: post #16

Ouch. I'm sure this will destroy him financially and his reputation, but what if he actually turned his life around and is completely ashamed of this past? I don't want to come off like I support his past whatsoever, because I don't, but I feel there's no forgiveness left in our society to give people like this a second chance. I guess I just believe people can change for the better and I want to encourage that more,…

It's lunacy. I have no idea about the man or who he is but 30-odd year old incidents should never ruin a person's career. This reeks of moral panic.

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Re: CEO of Banjo admitted to being a Neo-Nazi skinhead in his youth

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Post by s0l1dsnak3123 » Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 4:16 AM UTC

selimthegrim wrote: post #251

s0l1dsnak3123 wrote: post #169

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He should be afforded some basic right to contribute to society - like managing a restaurant, or something. It is not appropriate for a former Neo-Nazi to receive state surveillance contracts. It is not appropriate for a former Neo-Nazi to be able to work with any kind of sensible data. Even if completely rehabilitated, their origins are - to my mind - treacherous.

*sensitive

Damn right I'm sensitive about Neo-Nazis gaining power and authority.

Re: CEO of Banjo admitted to being a Neo-Nazi skinhead in his youth

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Post by CryptoPunk » Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 8:16 AM UTC

ShamelessC wrote: post #279

CryptoPunk wrote: post #250

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>>He would have been tried as an adult and put in jail for a long time. Do you have evidence for this allegation of systemic racism?

While I'm having trouble picking any sides on this topic, surely you're being sarcastic about this, right?

That's an odd reaction for someone not picking a side.

If there is evidence of systemic racism in the criminal justice system, that needs to be brought to light, and fixing the problem needs to be made the highest political priority.

I believe there is absolutely no evidence of this at all.

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Post by orestarod » Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 11:11 AM UTC

twomoretime wrote: post #212

weare138 wrote: post #206

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> I think there is actually a form of manipulation / abuse that makes a leader objectively GOOD at their job. Based on my experience, I'm more inclined to think the inverse it true. Those types of leaders are actually pretty bad at their jobs but appear subjectively good through manipulation and abuse.

Some people are motivated better by reward. Some people are motivates better by fear of punishment.

> Some people are motivated better by reward. Some people are motivates better by fear of punishment.

Some people just want a fair trade of labor provided in exchange for money. All sane people, actually. Save the motivation bs for the army.

Re: CEO of Banjo admitted to being a Neo-Nazi skinhead in his youth

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Post by dang » Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 5:03 PM UTC

iron0013 wrote: post #277

dang wrote: post #110

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"Clearly" is an interesting word to use for something that you've imagined. The submission was "nuked" by user flags and the software known as the flamewar detector or overheated discussion detector.

dang, does it ever make you feel sad that so many HN users will apparently defend Nazis, KKK members, and other white supremacists regardless of the circumstances or severity of their crimes? Like, do you ever kind of throw up your hands and wonder why you’re spending so much effort maintaining “civil discourse” as users cheerfully spout Stormfront forum talking points right in front of you?

This does not feel like a genuine question. But yes: many things make me feel sad about HN. It's a dismaying mess.

I'd be careful about jumping to conclusions. If you see an egregious comment that ought to be moderated and hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

"Civil" is not the guiding value here. We took that word out of the guidelines because, as I pointed out a year ago, its main effect was to make people think we have dumb ideas about civility. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19663839