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Vitamin D Insufficiency is Prevalent in Severe Covid-19

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Post by tlrobinson »

roenxi wrote: post #134
lisper wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The next paragraph is even more interesting: > A colleague of mine and I have introduced vitamin D at doses that have achieved greater than 100 nmol/L in most of our patients for the past number of years, and we now see very few patients in our clinics with the flu or influenzalike illness. In those patients who do have influenza, we have treated them with the vitamin D hammer, as coined by my colleague. This is a 1-…

An interesting thought experiment is would a video showcasing this paper risk being be banned on YouTube? I'm not going to bother checking if the WHO has a Vitamin D recommendation; but recommending many multiples of the FDA dose probably counts as misinformation.

Because the WHO and FDA never got anything wrong...?

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Post by Ididntdothis »

mindcrime wrote: post #198
Ididntdothis wrote: post #127

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How long did it take for you to notice a difference?

I'd say after a week or two I felt like I could notice a difference.

That sounds great. It should be an easy test.

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Post by tannerbrockwell »

hollander wrote: post #67
tannerbrockwell wrote: post #41

If you get the test make sure it is the right one! 25 (OH) stays in the blood longer, so this is the more accurate test. (half life of 3 weeks in your blood). Many experts recommend a level of at least 30 ng/ml ... some actually suggest that 50 ng/ml! The scale on the test results is: Interpretive Data: Deficiency: 100 ng/mL "The majority of 25-OH vitamin D (25-D) in the circulation is derived from the conversion of…

I think 80 is a better level. People living in Spain and similar regions, who work outside most of the year, have levels up to 220 and they have no problems with it. You should not pursue that value via supplements. Taking 2000IU or 4000IU daily is healthy, but go much higher for longer periods and you end up with calcification of your bones. That's not reversible, and it might kill you in the end.

I posted the correct test and got down voted. The other Vitamin D test is not accurate. If you ask for the test from your doctor, he has to specify the one I linked. You can decide for yourself what level you want to target. The other test is not accurate so you can't manage your levels...

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Post by StavrosK »

abiogenesis wrote: post #203
StavrosK wrote: post #119

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That little? So my four hours of tennis a week in the hot Greek sun is much more than enough, even with sunscreen on.

Playing four hours of tennis under the hot Greek sun may lead to other health issues though.

Four hours a week? Non-consecutive?

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Post by dralley »

tlrobinson wrote: post #210
lisper wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The next paragraph is even more interesting: > A colleague of mine and I have introduced vitamin D at doses that have achieved greater than 100 nmol/L in most of our patients for the past number of years, and we now see very few patients in our clinics with the flu or influenzalike illness. In those patients who do have influenza, we have treated them with the vitamin D hammer, as coined by my colleague. This is a 1-…

So... Trump suggesting sunlight as a treatment for COVID-19 may not have been so crazy? edit: that was a joke, not a very good one I guess.

> "I would like you to speak to the medical doctors to see if there's any way that you can apply light and heat to cure, you know, if you could. And maybe you can, maybe you can't."

He was talking about 2 things

* UV light kills viruses, so why don't you shine UV light into the body to treat the virus

* Many viruses such as the flu don't transmit as well during the summer due to the weather conditions (heat + humidity), so could heat treat the virus in-vivo

Both of those suggestions are ignorant. He very clearly did not mean that getting some sunlight -> Vitamin D will help Coronavirus.

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Post by jakeogh »

WWLink wrote: post #186
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #170

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> People with indoor jobs and hobbies are probably not getting enough. I argue that if you go outside and wear the appropriate sun protection—long pants,long sleeves, neck covered, broad rim hat, and wear sunscreen on the exposed parts—you can't get enough sun exposure to produce enough Vitamin D.

If you do get enough sun exposure without the protective clothing you'll probably damage the shit out of your skin.

Fortunatly, its fine. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23024436

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Post by baryphonic »

True story: my mom has plaque psoriasis and I was starting to develop symptoms as well (the condition seems to be heritable). I saw a dermatologist about it, and she prescribed a particular cream as well as doing 15 mins of UV therapy every day on the affected areas (knees and elbows were the worst). I wasn't the best at following medical advice at the time, but the cream helped some.

About a year and a half ago, I started taking vitamin D after my doctor told me I was slightly deficient. Within two months, there was no indication of plaques on my knees or elbows, and the little nodules that would appear on my palmar surfaces on my hands and feet became much less frequent. I am convinced that supplementing vitamin D was much more effective than any cream, and definitely less obnoxious than holding my knees and elbows to the sun at an open window on a sunny day. When I get outside frequently, I notice that basically all of my symptoms go away.

Long story short, take your vitamin D! Consult a doctor and don't take too much, since it's fat soluble and can build up to toxic levels in your system; also, since it is fat soluble, make sure your diet has enough good fats to help absorb it (guacamole and olive oil are two of my favorite supplementary foods with vitamin D).

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Post by Sargos »

dralley wrote: post #216
tlrobinson wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... Trump suggesting sunlight as a treatment for COVID-19 may not have been so crazy? edit: that was a joke, not a very good one I guess.

> "I would like you to speak to the medical doctors to see if there's any way that you can apply light and heat to cure, you know, if you could. And maybe you can, maybe you can't." He was talking about 2 things * UV light kills viruses, so why don't you shine UV light into the body to treat the virus * Many viruses such as the flu don't transmit as well during the summer due to the weather conditions (heat + humidit…

>Many viruses such as the flu don't transmit as well during the summer due to the weather conditions (heat + humidity), so could that treat the virus

Maybe viruses don't transmit as well during the summer because people are outside more and have higher levels of Vitamin D?

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Post by scythe »

strken wrote: post #146
jrockway wrote: post #118

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This is actually very true. There are lots of potential treatments that use generic and non-patentable agents, and very few people are willing to look into it. Zinc is the classic example; some people think it maybe reduces the duration of the common cold. The common cold is one of the main causes of missed workdays. If there's a drug that could make you miss 4 days of work a year instead of 5 days of work a year, it…

Zinc's neurotoxic, which is why it permanently damages your sense of smell and also why people are hesitant to take it to cure the common cold.

One problem with zinc is that dosing isn't standardized and people use it in stupid ways, cf. nasal sprays. High concentrations of heavy (-er than calcium) metal ions are of course neurotoxic; putting high concentrations of zinc in direct contact with olfactory tissue is to be avoided. Many supplements contain 50 mg of zinc or more, and worse, people take multiple pills. However, studies show similar effects using only 12.5 mg of zinc:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11073753?dopt=Abstract

Studies using much higher amounts of zinc do not show larger effects than this. The duration reduction in the above study was 28% while studies using 200 mg found a reduction of 35%:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/20542704176942...

Simply put, it does not make sense to multiply the dose by a factor of sixteen in order to improve effectiveness by 20%.

Yet I don't know exactly what GP is talking about. There are loads of studies about zinc for the common cold and there are loads of pills on store shelves containing zinc and claiming to treat the common cold. At least here in the United States, that is. People don't take it because of the side effects and the stupid dose forms available (although the situation seems to be slowly improving).

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