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End game for people like McConnell is that it puts downwards pressure on unions. A bankruptcy if a law is passed actually allowing states to go bankrupt would be a process overseen by federal courts, many of which are chaired by Trump appointed judges now. The judge gets to decide which debts are paid, meaning that pensions are very likely going to be chopped, hurting union members. There are other reasons. Bottom li…
> The judge gets to decide which debts are paid, meaning that pensions are very likely going to be chopped, hurting union members. I don't understand this. What is the connection between pensions and union members?
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Re: Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The judge gets to decide which debts are paid, meaning that pensions are very likely going to be chopped, hurting union members. I don't understand this. What is the connection between pensions and union members?
Historically, pension benefits were one of the main benefits unions fought for (and won) so that their members could have an income in their old age and retire. Today, very few workers still have pensions, but the few that do tend to be those represented by a union. In many states, this includes government employees: teachers, firefighters, police, etc.
I've never seen a professional job that didn't include a pension - certainly not in the tech industry.
Re: Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more
#193Layoffs are mounting, alternative work is limited, and the unemployment systems in many states are either broken or running out of funding. Add the federal governments indicated desire to let blue states go bankrupt and we are looking at a good combination to enter a depression. Its a pretty sobering time.
Real questions. I'm not a history buff. Has there ever been a time in US history that the federal government has been so openly antagonistic and overtly willing to attack opposite-party state governments? If so, what were the outcomes? If not, is there anything even close? Current question - what is the endgame for those who what blue states to go bankrupt? What do they get if that happens, outside of talking points?…
To be honest the most interesting thing to me is the US media. I don't think it has ever been so openly hostile towards one party and so hungry to cause a civil war. They're not even hiding it any more. They're operating as if the country were at war against the Republican Party and any person who is not a card-carrying Democrat must be eliminated, de-platformed, or represented in the most farcical way possible. It's incredible. It's the stuff that totalitarian states struggle to achieve, yet it seems to have happened "organically" in the US.
If I were a hostile actor I wouldn't even need to mount propaganda or spend money on my own content - I would just need to amplify the US media's message.
Re: Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more
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If this is really a factor in the stock price, then that company is toast. When an employee is hired, the assumption is that that employee's all-in hiring cost is less than the increase in value for all shareholders. That means if you pay an employee $250K a year, including stock, the shareholders better be getting more than $250K back in value. By your reasoning, the shareholders are losing more by dilution than the…
Nice logic, the only reality is that wall street tolerated being dumped on by employees in the theoretically high growth tech sector. no voting rights, no dividends, create shares, dump on investors the limits of this tolerance was pushed and pushed in the macro environment of there being nothing else to invest in if share price goes up, profitability "just a few quarters away", the employee value proposition or exec…
Re: Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more
#195Layoffs are mounting, alternative work is limited, and the unemployment systems in many states are either broken or running out of funding. Add the federal governments indicated desire to let blue states go bankrupt and we are looking at a good combination to enter a depression. Its a pretty sobering time.
Real questions. I'm not a history buff. Has there ever been a time in US history that the federal government has been so openly antagonistic and overtly willing to attack opposite-party state governments? If so, what were the outcomes? If not, is there anything even close? Current question - what is the endgame for those who what blue states to go bankrupt? What do they get if that happens, outside of talking points?…
There's a caveat here that the Federal laws will need to change a bit to allow States to go into packaged restructuring. And to ensure that we are bailing out specific individuals to ensure that they are not too negatively affected.
One of the strongest arguments against "bailouts" of large corporations is that it negatively impacts price discovery. More specifically, it removes a company's ability to thrive in certain extreme conditions from the pricing equation entirely. An example: Amazon is at all-time-highs right now, and it's because it's proven itself to be a hugely important institution, both during wartime and peacetime. Its market price should reflect this value. Airlines, OTOH, are an institution that can be prone to failure when some things go wrong (exogenous or otherwise), and the price should reflect that. A theoretical airline doing $1B in revenue should be worth less than a theoretical Amazon doing $1B in revenue, even if both have identical profits, growth, balance sheets, etc. The net effect of this is inefficient and poor capital allocation, where more capital would be allocated towards airlines than warranted, and that capital could be allocated elsewhere in more productive / less risky endeavors.
This may come across as overly fundamentalist about the market, but where this really manifests is in the Fed's bailout of junk bonds, which is absolutely nuts. The whole point of junk bonds (I.e. the type of a loan that WeWork would have to take) is that it's default risk is high, but the yield is also high. If junk bonds are bailed out, then that means that we all ought to go and buy junk bonds. High yields for everyone! The Fed is going to bail you out no matter what. This, then, overly inflates the demand (and price) for junk bonds, and you now have a total capital mis-allocation, with a lot of capital going into AirBNBs and WeWorks of the world, rather than the Amazons of the world.
How does this relate to States? Taxation is the price we pay to live in a society, and States are a really underrated way we can accurately come up with the correct "price" for the correct basket of services society might offer. This is the Charles Tiebout school of thought. Bailing out states with shitty fiscal policies is 1) a moral hazard and 2) messes with the long run calculation of the optimal level of taxation.
Okay great, so then what happens if we just let States "fail", like we might let Corporations fail? If we allowed States to declare bankruptcy, the bond-holders won't get paid, and the State credit ratings will shift to reflect their true creditworthiness. In this regard, bailing out bad States is no different from bailing out junk bonds — the only difference is that today State bond-holders don't know that they're holding onto junk bonds — most States have a generally high credit rating (except Illinois, because, well lol)[1]. The only mechanism we know of for the system to correct the ratings of these bonds is to 1) let States relieve themselves of their debt obligations, and 2) organically allow the bonds for those States to become more high-yield.
You might argue that this makes it difficult for States to fund infrastructure projects and safety nets. Yes, it makes it difficult to finance projects in the short run, because the bond failures are reflective of the quality of the current governance. Who comprises the government, who is running things can change democratically — if citizens want more infrastructure projects / better development, they will have to vote for better policies and better representatives. It's the democratic equivalent of swapping out the entire executive team at WeWork with the executive team at Amazon. The alternative is that you never see these governance changes at the State and local levels, and you have the same problems in perpetuity because the same people are always in power, and we never learn from mistakes — institutional rot. Better governance might be to restructure bad pension systems, or raise their own State taxes (IMO State taxes are far too low).
TL;DR — the best argument for letting States go bankrupt is that it's an effective way to weed out institutional rot in the long run, and come up with the optimal level of taxation for the optimal basket of State provided services. Such a scheme can only work if individuals continue to be bailed out so that they are not caught in the onslaught.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_credit_...
Re: Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more
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This seems like a great time for Amazon or Google to buy Lyft Or maybe Apple. Apple has been pouring millions into improving its street views in Apple Maps. It should buy Lyft. Pay the drivers an extra $x/mile to clamp the Apple Maps image gathering device to the roofs of their cars. The drivers win because they get a bump in income in an industry that's already hurting. Apple wins because it gets up-to-date informat…
> Pay the drivers an extra $x/mile to clamp the Apple Maps image gathering device to the roofs of their cars. Scenario 1 (buy Lyft): So if Lyft has around 1 million drivers in USA [1], and Apple will pay them an average of $50/month to use the device + the cost of the device/installation (around $100) that would cost around $150,000,000 on top of the acquisition price. And you cant really be sure that they covered al…
Re: Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The judge gets to decide which debts are paid, meaning that pensions are very likely going to be chopped, hurting union members. I don't understand this. What is the connection between pensions and union members?
Historically, pension benefits were one of the main benefits unions fought for (and won) so that their members could have an income in their old age and retire. Today, very few workers still have pensions, but the few that do tend to be those represented by a union. In many states, this includes government employees: teachers, firefighters, police, etc.
Re: Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more
#198- The tech companies having issues during covid-19 are all heavily invested in travel/transportation(Uber/Lyft/Airbnb etc). - They also are in industries that entirely use gig workers with personal contact in 90% of their services(airbnb the least of these). - I don't see other tech companies getting hit this hard(the sky is not falling!). - I really, really hope these laid off engineers find other jobs quickly and l…
Re: Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more
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Yeah, the civil war.
The federal government was attacked to touch off the Civil War. Like, by men with guns. That's a rather critical distinction.
Re: Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more
#200This seems like a great time for Amazon or Google to buy Lyft. Amazon could bundle rides with package deliveries and get the pre-existing driver and passenger network from Lyft. Lyft was actually telling drivers to work with Amazon when the pandemic started (1). Waymo could take Lyft’s aggregated rider demand. They already have a partnership to transfer autonomous rides from Waymo to Lyft during bad weather situation…
This seems like a great time for Amazon or Google to buy Lyft Or maybe Apple. Apple has been pouring millions into improving its street views in Apple Maps. It should buy Lyft. Pay the drivers an extra $x/mile to clamp the Apple Maps image gathering device to the roofs of their cars. The drivers win because they get a bump in income in an industry that's already hurting. Apple wins because it gets up-to-date informat…
1) You don't explain how in monetary terms Apple having that better data would offset its additional costs since Lyft does not derive a profit.
2) This comment was mean-spirited and completely unnecessary:
> As a former Uber/Lyft driver, I'd be all over this like Oprah on a baked ham.