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De-Googling: My Progress

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Re: De-Googling: My Progress

#181
Firefox is now objectively better than Chrome in every way. I would recommend switching moral reasons aside. Chrome's memory management is abysmal. I now get the same shudder when I see someone with chrome on their machine that I used to get when I saw someone running Internet Explorer (which may even be better than chrome now too).

Re: De-Googling: My Progress

#182

I'm surprised by not seeing more comments against the OP moving from Google to move almost everything to Apple & Facebook. I've also started a similar process but haven't managed to ditch Google completely yet, mainly for convenience. Because my concern was mainly privacy, I started by adding a pi-hole in the home network and that allowed me to block an infinite number of tracking codes and ads. This improved the ove…

Why do you use Telegram if you're concerned about privacy?

Telegram changed in the last couple of years. You can choose between secret chats (e2e encrypted) and normal which are just user-server storage-user encrypted. End-to-end voice calls is also a feature. If you ask me between the Google / Facebook messaging apps (Whatsapp, Messenger, etc) and Telegram, today I'd say Telegram has an advantage because it has a good UI, works across devices and the desktop client works like a charm. For someone that wants to ditch the Google / Facebook environment and be sure their grandmother can use it, I don't see much better options.

It's not as faulty as it used to be, but I see the old times made a reputation for it.

Re: De-Googling: My Progress

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Firefox is now objectively better than Chrome in every way. I would recommend switching moral reasons aside. Chrome's memory management is abysmal. I now get the same shudder when I see someone with chrome on their machine that I used to get when I saw someone running Internet Explorer (which may even be better than chrome now too).

The only reason I have Chrome installed on any machine is for YouTube. I tend to get weird flickers when in full screen while watching on other browsers, and Chrome is the only one I’m aware of that will allow you to view YouTube content in HDR.

Re: De-Googling: My Progress

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Amazingly how similar my path is to Aaron’s. I use paid for Google services (GCP, buy lots of movies and books) but I have mostly moved to DDG, combination of FastMail and ProtonMail, (sort of) trust Apple walled garden, and rely heavily on FireFox containers to separate data for all web properties that I visit and use.

I do still use Google Photos and Microsoft OneDrive for secondary backups for my photos on iCloud (my iPhone auto exports to all three when I am on WiFi) and I sometimes use Google Search in a FireFox container (I use one container for all Google web properties).

Respect to Aaron for running his own email service. I think about doing that but never do. My problem is that I enjoy spending time writing, and designing and writing code, and I don’t make time for some things that I would like to try. Time management is a pain sometimes.

EDIT: something I forgot to add: when following a web link, copy the URI and then open the appropriate FireFox container for the domain and copy the URI to a new tab in the correct container. Good hygiene.

Re: De-Googling: My Progress

#185

For photos storage and sharing you may want to check pCloud. They offer lifetime plan at $350 for 2TB. I'm in no way related; just a happy customer. https://www.pcloud.com/cloud-storage-pricing-plans.html

After having n photo startups (paid and free) disappear into the mist, along with my photos and videos, I decided self-hosting was the only thing I could trust. I couldn't find any software that would reliably scale to my library and fix my mess of duplicates and bitrot files, so I made it. I'm providing access to the beta for free in exchange for feedback, if you'd like to try it. https://photostructure.com/about/v-0-8/ is dropping this week.

Re: De-Googling: My Progress

#186

My De-Googling process: *Search(1) -> DuckDuckGo *Gmail(2) -> Fastmail *Android -> SailfishOS (https://sailfishos.org/) *Maps -> OpenStreetMaps *Youtube(3) -> Youtube-dl, "subscriptions" with rss-feeds *Drive -> Self-hosted Nextloud & Syncthing *Calendar -> At first Fastmail, but nowadays back to paper calendar *Chrome -> Brave & Firefox (1) When having problems finding I sometimes check Google Search with bangs. (2)…

Concerning Youtube, you may be interested in https://www.invidio.us/ which is an alternative front end. There are also extensions for Firefox which will automatically redirect any Youtube links you happen to come across to open on Invidious.

Re: De-Googling: My Progress

#187

Moving from Google cloud to Apple cloud, from Google messenger to Facebook messenger... What's the point honestly?

There is no point since iCloud runs on Google Cloud infrastructure.

Even if this is true, there's a significant difference in that Google would lose nearly every single one of GCP's customers if it was ever proven they were mining data of their customers' cloud services.

And at the very least, it is much harder for Google to correlate a competitors' account systems and user data with their own profiles they use for ad targeting.

And of course, most importantly: Apple collects a lot less data when you use their apps. For instance, Maps data is never associated with an Apple ID, and significant work is done to fuzz and scramble the anonymous data they store to avoid it being possible to turn it into data about a real person. In comparison, Google Maps logs your location to your Google account every five minutes.

Re: De-Googling: My Progress

#188
post #162

> I probably just lost 99% of you Yeah, moving from Google over to Apple is just cheating. It's better for privacy, but I'd rather thinker with my system to remove the spyware than remove the spyware and largely give up the ability to easily tinker with my system.

I don’t know. I’m a tinkerer but if we think about phone ecosystem, then I just want my phone to work and not spy on me. I’ll tinker with my other devices, but after bricking one phone, I won’t do it again.

Indeed. The other thing I learned after having a Windows Mobile phone for years: I don't need every latest app either. I want my phone to take calls, texts, emails, pictures, and I am mostly good to go.

I switched to an iPhone recently, but I'm not really engaging heavily with Apple's services or ecosystem.

Re: De-Googling: My Progress

#189
I've done this a couple years ago now for anyone interested in the subject, hope it's useful to compare: https://medium.com/@rdallman10/degoogling-eb3709bdfd4c (I will get my blog off medium, promise!)

It's great to compare with people who have done similar, thanks for sharing your journey. It is an inordinate amount of work that non-computer-interested most likely aren't interested in. I do wonder what it takes (restoration of privacy rights enacted through judicial interpretation enforced upon companies like e.g. GDPR?) to have default UX that is E2E across most services, probably widely used companies like Apple doing it (which may compel Google, et al, to?). It surprises me to some degree that companies seem to _want_ the liability involved with associating people with their data? This seems odd, as the data is just as useful assigned to some random identifier that can be carted around the internet that can't be tied to our person, and I wonder how the cost of liability remains worth it when technologically it's unnecessary. The human aspect of social networking seems like the weak heel for removing names there, but still things like chat seem like things companies wouldn't want to store (who knows how strongly gov is compelling them to do so to make it worthwhile, maybe, with $$$ or threats). Even things like imessage, most people use icloud to backup and in this case the messages are recoverable by Apple (for law enforcement as it is or their own purposes maybe, more cynically) - this is heavily marketed E2E but in practice isn't, Apple says so on their security page even (this is nice of them): https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 - I hope that as an industry we can work towards pushing ephemeral UX that users can adjust to but it will take adjusting, nobody needs a message from Nonna from 2014 and if it was the prized bread recipe, save it somewhere else! In any event, I hope this continues to get better for the lay user.

I haven't changed most of my choices since making the switch. I do use mullvad with wireguard now and I consider moving off of 1.1.1.1 for similar reasons to leaving google (see recent news about large gov partner here). I don't have many complaints. In the past year, I've also stopped reading twitter/reddit and moved to reading the news once a week in some attempt to rewire my brain, I'd say it's mostly good, I spend more time thinking and reading more interesting things and it gives me some perspective, the trade offs are being more disconnected from society (not up to date on memes, miss seeing what friends are cooking!) which has pros/cons. I'm rethinking this, it's all about values really, I do think social media can be used in a privacy preserving way to still keep in touch with friends/family (fingerprinting is slight issue) that doesn't have to constantly fight for your dopamine receptors. Anyway, it's interesting to discuss with like minded people, I know very few who aren't constantly plugged in now and it can be hard to relate (ie talk about more interesting things imho).

Re: De-Googling: My Progress

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post #24

> Iphone: But I think this really helped cut my reliance on Google and I feel a lot less reliant on any particular phone OS. You just became reliant on the iOS system instead of the Google on. Hardly an improvement.

You can use an Apple phone without using a lot of Apple services and contributing a lot to a cloud profile of you. Given how many apps on the Android ecosystem depend on Play Services to function, it's nearly impossible to do this with Android.

I have a Brave Heart Edition PinePhone, and I'm hoping to switch to a real Linux phone soon, but for now, carrying an iPhone as a pretty basic phone is still a big privacy improvement.

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