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Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#51

wow, that's... bonkers. i wonder why the hell he's saying this kind of thing -- it's not like his companies are having issues due to covid-19 (afaik).

> It's not like his companies are having issues due to covid-19 (afaik).

Well, Tesla is selling cars, which is not exactly in high demand right now. At the very least, confinement has an impact on Tesla for that reason.

Basically, we may be seeing a car dealer complaining safety measures prevent him to sell his products.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#52
post #21

NY, NJ, PA, CT, and MA have 53% of cases. It’s time to stop treating this like every state or region is in the same situation. Edit: Some people apparently need to be reminded that Europe is a place. Individual countries are reopening as they see fit based on how they are handling the virus. It honestly is starting to feel like some people prefer the pain than the idea of safely reopening certain states and regions.

Very impressive that the virus acknowledges state boundaries.

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Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't run for President in the US if you were not born in the US, even if you are American.

As long as your mother is American, it doesn’t matter where your born.

This is an incorrect oversimplification of citizenship law and of the natural-born clause.

There are residence requirements for foreign-born US citizens to pass on citizenship to children born abroad, which already contradicts your statement. This applies to mothers and fathers (with a paternity test if not married). Furthermore, it hasn't been legally settled whether someone born a US citizen abroad counts in this clause, though personally I suspect anyone born a US citizen (not just, and not always, children of US mothers) would qualify if challenged.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#54

Writing from the Netherlands. I believe the American rhetoric has fully been divided between the "if you aren't careful, you are killing people" on the left and "open the economy" on the right. I'm surprised that it isn't clear why the left is in an extremely dangerous position. They can't win unless lots of people are dying. Otherwise, the non-zoom working class will vote in anyone who prioritizes the economy. Isn't…

From what I've seen, the non-Zoom working class is the group most against re-opening. They're the one's most at risk from the virus.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#55
He might just want to do it as e.g Germany does it. i.e. basically opening most smaller and some bigger businesses. shops with limited people at the same time, masks, hygiene procedures etc. schools more or less closed until end of summer.

Though Germany already has receding numbers for a while now, US is still a little behind. Total number of cases vs deaths is (if counted and reported correctly in worldometers) quite comparable (to my surprise). UK is way worse in this respect.

Difficult to say what he really wants as he does NOT communicate well in this respect. In longer interviews he is way more thoughtful.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#56
post #2

What's the context of this tweet? Is he just trolling?

Musk is a libertarian utopian-capitalist. He believes that humanity's lot and chances of long-term survival can only be improved by unrestrained, accelerated economic (and scientific and technological) growth. He's an Iain M Banks fan, and I think his ideal is probably reaching a sort of hyper-advanced, post-scarcity civilisation managed by benevolent AIs.

Therefore, from his perspective, the current lockdown is putting a huge brake on the progress necessary to help humanity and eventually reach utopia. Of course, more concretely, it also endangers his fortune and life's work, but people don't tend to like thinking of themselves as selfish to the point of acquiescing to mass death, so I imagine he rationalises his opposition to himself in this greater-good sense.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#58
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What's the context of this tweet? Is he just trolling?

He is mad that the lockdown is losing him money, and he wants to force people to risk their lives to go back to work making him money.

Well, not just him. A lot of regular people are mad too that the lockdown is losing them money and risking their live buy not allowed to work.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#59

Easy to dismiss him because of his wealth or other prejudices you may have of him. "Free America Now" raises an incredibly important debate that all lockdown-ridden countries should be having. Were lockdowns constitutional? Were lockdowns effective? Could other measured responses have achieved similar outcomes? Were lockdowns done in vain? And have we set a dangerous precedent? Bunch of questions. Don't flame him or…

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Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more Musk tweets, the further away he gets from the visionary with dreams of Mars and the closer he gets to Trump. I used to be a fan, but I’ve found it impossible to defend Musk in recent years.

I think the key is to allow enough intellectual diversity on the left so that someone like musk doesn't get pushed so easily into an outsider. Being antirepublican, antiTrump and antilockdown is a valid position.

I'd be happy to rationally engage with any downvoters. Or is this just emotional?
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