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Post by ralusek »

cwhiz wrote: post #21

NY, NJ, PA, CT, and MA have 53% of cases. It’s time to stop treating this like every state or region is in the same situation. Edit: Some people apparently need to be reminded that Europe is a place. Individual countries are reopening as they see fit based on how they are handling the virus. It honestly is starting to feel like some people prefer the pain than the idea of safely reopening certain states and regions.

Different states have different numbers of cases due to the different measures that have been taken. Bay Area quarantined early, and has been stricter than most of the country, followed by California at large. It's not like different states net different results simply due to magic.

So if you want to loosen up restrictions in California, it shouldn't be grounded in the fact that California seems to just be impervious. What you're proposing would be in direct contradiction with the reason why California has lower numbers. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that, as there is an ideological case to be made for measuring liberty against security, but the lower number of cases is totally irrelevant for substantiating that position.

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Post by aaron695 »

Points for not being a Silicon Valley coward blindly following the 'lockdown' religion but he doesn't seem to have a clear handle on the virus to be saying what he is.

I'm not sure he even noticed C19 in January or February.

virus OR coronavirus OR c19 OR covid OR covid-19 (from:elonmusk) until:2020-04-29 since:2020-01-01

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by benburleson »

cwhiz wrote: post #21

NY, NJ, PA, CT, and MA have 53% of cases. It’s time to stop treating this like every state or region is in the same situation. Edit: Some people apparently need to be reminded that Europe is a place. Individual countries are reopening as they see fit based on how they are handling the virus. It honestly is starting to feel like some people prefer the pain than the idea of safely reopening certain states and regions.

Very impressive that the virus acknowledges state boundaries.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by jmull »

ainar-g wrote: post #30
jmull wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He aspires to be a populist demagogue. I have no doubt he'll be running for president one of these days. edit: I'm dumb, he can't run for president of the US.

If you mean the US, then he'd either need a consitutional amendment first or for the US to invade South Africa. Which are, considering that we live in the stupidest timeline, not impossible courses of events.

Hah, good point! I'm dumb.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by dr_dshiv »

Writing from the Netherlands. I believe the American rhetoric has fully been divided between the "if you aren't careful, you are killing people" on the left and "open the economy" on the right.

I'm surprised that it isn't clear why the left is in an extremely dangerous position. They can't win unless lots of people are dying. Otherwise, the non-zoom working class will vote in anyone who prioritizes the economy. Isn't wholesale economic collapse a much bigger civilization-wide existential threat than COVID19 itself?

I would have also thought that the left would be more scared of another 4 years of Trump (now with unlimited power and money) than his voter base dying in droves. Just surprising, that's all.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by happytoexplain »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #28
colejohnson66 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m genuinely curious. I hear this “constitutional rights” line from many conservatives. What rights are being violated?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble , and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

There's an argument to be made that assembling right now in certain numbers is necessarily not peaceable, if it puts others in danger.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by xenophonf »

theboywho wrote: post #22
jmull wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He aspires to be a populist demagogue. I have no doubt he'll be running for president one of these days. edit: I'm dumb, he can't run for president of the US.

You can't run for President in the US if you were not born in the US, even if you are American.

That's not true, else Ted Cruz wouldn't have been able to run for President in 2016. Cruz was born in Calgary. His mother is an American, father Canadian. The requirement in the Constitution is only that one must be a "natural born citizen".

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by rishirishi »

Easy to dismiss him because of his wealth or other prejudices you may have of him. "Free America Now" raises an incredibly important debate that all lockdown-ridden countries should be having. Were lockdowns constitutional? Were lockdowns effective? Could other measured responses have achieved similar outcomes?

Were lockdowns done in vain? And have we set a dangerous precedent?

Bunch of questions. Don't flame him or me. Just participate in the debate.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by hef19898 »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #28
colejohnson66 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m genuinely curious. I hear this “constitutional rights” line from many conservatives. What rights are being violated?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble , and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

You still can worship, you can still say whatever you want. Musks tweet being proof for the latter.
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