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CEO of Banjo admitted to being a Neo-Nazi skinhead in his youth

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Re: CEO of Banjo admitted to being a Neo-Nazi skinhead in his youth

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Post by y3di »

yellowapple wrote: post #257
Pils wrote: post #247

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> [citation needed] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_and_the_death_pe... . There are quite a few under-18 cases. > "the pursuit of happiness" (one of the three inalienable rights upon which my country was founded) inalienable rights are, by definition, forfeitable in the cases where one's actions violate another person's or group's inalienable rights. Shooting up a synagogue qualifies as one such action. >…

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_and_the_death_pe... . There are quite a few under-18 cases. Per the article: "No one was struck or killed in the shooting." So again, [citation needed] about people committing the "exact same" crime being on death row, given that the crime described in the article is far below the bar necessary to warrant capital punishment. > let me state that I find it incredible that m…

I wonder if you and the rest of these commenters extend the same amount of compassion to the hundreds of thousands of non violent people stuck in prison that you do to the multimillionaire CEO of a state surveillance company. Someone who literally got away with shooting up a place of worship.

And if you do, great. Lets work towards fixing the mass incarceration problem in our country. That way, many more people can be given the same second chance that allowed Patton to attain a material wealth that vastly surpasses the overwhelming majority of humans on the planet.

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altruistic_swe wrote: post #240
throwawaybanjo1 wrote: post #210

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Check this out dave https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14783521

You're absolutely correct about the info both of your friends shared. I know because I was a Banjo employee myself (3+ years), before Damien step foot in Utah (during a company party, he told us while casually chatting that he gave his wife a budget of $3m to find a new house - they lived in Vegas at the time). During my time there, Banjo was building a team in Vegas, NV and Redwood City, CA. He is a workaholic. This…

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Re: CEO of Banjo admitted to being a Neo-Nazi skinhead in his youth

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Post by rhizome »

canadaduane wrote: post #177
cultus wrote: post #168

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Wow, an abusive, toxic person both then and now. It's funny how such people often rise to the top through bluster, despite being objectively bad at their jobs.

I've thought a lot about this. I think there is actually a form of manipulation / abuse that makes a leader objectively GOOD at their job. They become successful, wealthy, etc. That said, that form of leadership has costs. I think there are other modes of leadership that can be even better (cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teal_organisation ) and that's what many company cultures are trying to cultivate.

>I think there is actually a form of manipulation / abuse that makes a leader objectively GOOD at their job

You don't even have to get into cutting-edge management theory, the entire USA was built for the first half of its life by slaves of one kind or another.

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Post by Gollapalli »

Konohamaru wrote: post #249

Yes, people deserve second chances. No, they can't become C.E.O.'s because C.E.O.'s are effectively unelected government officials of the United States and the same criterion that says it's a bad idea to let him run for president means it's a bad idea to have him continue being C.E.O.. It's not like "bad man become good and pays back debt to society as a small-time business owner" because of the power differential. I…

>because C.E.O.'s are effectively unelected government officials of the United States

This is a really, really interesting take on it. I happen to agree, but if they're public officials, then how do we square the absolutely massive incentives to action at the expense of the public good?

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Post by paypalcust83 »

skdjsjkhfkdsjh wrote: post #209
cultus wrote: post #197

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>It's pretty obvious that this new account is not arguing in good faith, but I'll take a stab anyway. Not to be a dick but a quick browse of both his/her and your first page of comments indicates you are likely to be the one arguing in bad faith. You have a range of comments on this topic all of which seem to be taking a hard line on one side of things. He/she has one comment on this topic and a range non-inflammator…

It's cool. People gonna people. And as civilization rips itself apart, it's easier and more convenient for most to find scapegoats, be divided-and-conquered, lose touch with reasonableness, and/or bikeshed than seek solidarity, strategy, and reason.

"In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act"." - Orwell

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Post by paypalcust83 »

cultus wrote: post #215
skdjsjkhfkdsjh wrote: post #209

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>It's pretty obvious that this new account is not arguing in good faith, but I'll take a stab anyway. Not to be a dick but a quick browse of both his/her and your first page of comments indicates you are likely to be the one arguing in bad faith. You have a range of comments on this topic all of which seem to be taking a hard line on one side of things. He/she has one comment on this topic and a range non-inflammator…

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Conspiracy theories and Godwin's Law award. Could you find something better to do please? Thank you.

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Post by Pils »

yellowapple wrote: post #257
Pils wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> [citation needed] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_and_the_death_pe... . There are quite a few under-18 cases. > "the pursuit of happiness" (one of the three inalienable rights upon which my country was founded) inalienable rights are, by definition, forfeitable in the cases where one's actions violate another person's or group's inalienable rights. Shooting up a synagogue qualifies as one such action. >…

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_and_the_death_pe... . There are quite a few under-18 cases. Per the article: "No one was struck or killed in the shooting." So again, [citation needed] about people committing the "exact same" crime being on death row, given that the crime described in the article is far below the bar necessary to warrant capital punishment. > let me state that I find it incredible that m…

> And let me state that I find it incredible that many people such as yourself believe that people (especially teenagers) can't be victims of indoctrination, can't possibly feel genuine remorse for their mistakes as teenagers, and must be deprived of their rights forever because of those mistakes.

If you are going to continue to attack a complete straw man of my arguments, I’m not sure how productive continuing this chain will be.

Your entire argument is predicated on 1) Damien, at almost 18 years of age, having absolutely no culpability for his actions, and 2) that he has shown genuine remorse for his actions, despite receiving essentially no punishment for a premeditated murder attempt and having shown no signs of remorse until he was asked to comment on the story. In other words, an entirely speculative argument that relies on your own personal character projections.

I would encourage you to extend the same level of generosity and charitableness you seem to show Damien Patton to the next person who challenges your worldview.

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Post by rhizome »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #136
rvp-x wrote: post #123

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A bigger question is how is one allowed to join the navy after taking part in a racially motivated drive-by shooting?

and it's follow up is how can a remorseful person make amends and resume normality? I'd argue if there is no path back to normality they they will, by definition, forever find fringe behavior necessary and rational

>I'd argue if there is no path back to normality

Well come on, it takes more than being "sorry" and building companies and "trying to treat everyone equally." Nothing he mentioned, besides apparently turning snitch in some cases, is even a hint of undoing the damage he did. Said another way: one way to make amends is to at least do something, you know, like even try to walk a path, any path. It doesn't sound like he's done more than stop hanging out with some people, which, congratulations, but it's no Nobel Peace Prize material. He should strive for Nobel Peace Prize material. Again: anything.

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Post by cafard »

twomoretime wrote: post #212
weare138 wrote: post #206

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> I think there is actually a form of manipulation / abuse that makes a leader objectively GOOD at their job. Based on my experience, I'm more inclined to think the inverse it true. Those types of leaders are actually pretty bad at their jobs but appear subjectively good through manipulation and abuse.

Some people are motivated better by reward. Some people are motivates better by fear of punishment.

OK. Do most of us want to get wrapped up in the latter group's pathologies?
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