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At least 11 cities use automated surveillance in the EU

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Curious, do the French people consider Macron a right winger?

Center right yes. The prime minister is a from a right party. On average since the election, Macron's popularity went down with French people voting left, and raised (or didn't went down as much) with French people voting right.

Was the "voter-base" that put him in power primarily of the left or the right wings? Or more to the center in general?

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Mannheim is running a "pilot project" called "Mannheimer Weg". It is video surveillance + behavior analysis. The german state of Baden-Würtenberg, where Mannheim is located, has already announced to expand "intelligent video surveillance" to other large cities, starting with Heidelberg this year and focusing on central train and tram stations.

There are many sources in german about this topic, some praising it, some are more critical. Another such "pilot project" is run at Hamburg Hauptbahnhof and that one got a lot more bad feedback, because they also "try" facial recognition and tracking smart phone signals.

It should be noted that the european union invested into this technology starting with the 7th Framework Programm in 2007 under the codenames INDECT, ADABTS and SAMURAI. Expect to be flagged for "abnormal, possibly criminal behaviour" in the future if you run or loiter at a large train station.

Re: At least 11 cities use automated surveillance in the EU

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Center right yes. The prime minister is a from a right party. On average since the election, Macron's popularity went down with French people voting left, and raised (or didn't went down as much) with French people voting right.

Was the "voter-base" that put him in power primarily of the left or the right wings? Or more to the center in general?

The right wing candidate (Fillon) was out of the race due to some financial scandal. The left wing candidate (Hamon) who won the primary wasn't supported by the "left establishement" (who rallied Macron) as he was too much on the left. Macron was also widely supported by the medias, and there was some enthusiasm to have a "fresh" candidate.

He doesn't appeal to conservatives, neither to the left but considering the circumstances it was an easy win for him. I'd say its voter-base are the educated, urban professionals.

Re: At least 11 cities use automated surveillance in the EU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was the "voter-base" that put him in power primarily of the left or the right wings? Or more to the center in general?

The right wing candidate (Fillon) was out of the race due to some financial scandal. The left wing candidate (Hamon) who won the primary wasn't supported by the "left establishement" (who rallied Macron) as he was too much on the left. Macron was also widely supported by the medias, and there was some enthusiasm to have a "fresh" candidate. He doesn't appeal to conservatives, neither to the left but considering the c…

Will the establishments then turn away from Macron next election, when they can put up more formidable candidates? My American birds-eye view is that Macron is not very popular.

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>So you're fine with your everyday movements logged and published online? This comment will be downvoted, but this is hyperbole. Your everyday movements are more than just your activity in public spaces. Likewise any website publishing your activity in public spaces is not entitled to linking it to your PII, because if they do deanonymize it, you now have means to take it down.

Your activity in public places is personally identifiable.

Again, any website publishing your activity in public spaces is not entitled to linking it to your PII, because if they do deanonymize it, you now have means to take it down.

Re: At least 11 cities use automated surveillance in the EU

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France has more than just two political parties. Macron started as a centrist populist with his own party, but has leaned to the right with his actions since coming to office.

I understand that there are more than two political parties. I'm not that blind of an American. Just curious how most Frenchmen view their own leaders on the spectrum.

I didn't mean to imply that you didn't know that, just gave it as context that it's more nuanced than right or left leaning.

Re: At least 11 cities use automated surveillance in the EU

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Mannheim is running a "pilot project" called "Mannheimer Weg". It is video surveillance + behavior analysis. The german state of Baden-Würtenberg, where Mannheim is located, has already announced to expand "intelligent video surveillance" to other large cities, starting with Heidelberg this year and focusing on central train and tram stations. There are many sources in german about this topic, some praising it, some…

Here's what I don't understand: Apart from Heidelberg central station there is only one other place in Heidelberg – Bismarckplatz – that will be subject to intelligent video surveillance and that place already comes with a police station right in the middle of it. So how about increasing convential police presence instead?

What's more, in my experience police in Heidelberg is outstandingly slow to respond. I once reported a mass brawl of ~100 people not far away from Bismarckplatz and police didn't care to arrive until 20min later (with two officers…).

Re: At least 11 cities use automated surveillance in the EU

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Mannheim is running a "pilot project" called "Mannheimer Weg". It is video surveillance + behavior analysis. The german state of Baden-Würtenberg, where Mannheim is located, has already announced to expand "intelligent video surveillance" to other large cities, starting with Heidelberg this year and focusing on central train and tram stations. There are many sources in german about this topic, some praising it, some…

Germany: the city of Freiburg is also buying 18 new cameras for the area "Bermudadreieck" and "Bertoldstraße". I couldn't find any information on how "smart" that system is going to be.

In Darmstadt the central tram hub "Luisenplatz" is going to get modern video surveillance, too. Bought from Dallmeier Electronic GmbH & Co. KG. The mayor said no facial regocnition is planned, even if the vendor offers integration with such systems. Its unknown if advanced behavior analysis is included. It is likely that all cities buy from different vendors and may get very different quality of automated video content analysis.

In Hannover the local police veiled their own cameras last year during a demonstration against a new police law. The demonstration asked for that and announced to go to a court and the police just complied without waiting for a court order, as they wanted to show clearly that they are not interested in filming and (possibly) personally identifying their political opposition. When the city council in Darmstadt was asked for such a rule for the soon to be installed cameras, they laughed and said both the police and the interior intelligence agency can and will request demonstrations to be filmed on a case by case basis and the people will not be told if the cameras are on or off.

Germany's federal police (BKA) and ministry of interior security ("Ministerium für Staatssicherheit") are unhappy with these fragmented and diversified solutions. They aim for a networked system that can find people nation wide on any camera using biometric recognition when a search warrant is issued.

In the meantime Deutsche Bahn is experimenting with a "facial anti-recognition feature" that replaces faces with fakes because they believe they can easier share the data with third party data anaylsis providers if they do that.

Re: At least 11 cities use automated surveillance in the EU

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* Brussels * Kortrijk * Prostějov * Prague * Mannheim * Marbella * Nîmes (FR) * Nice (FR) * Cannes (FR) * Roubaix (FR) * Marseille (FR) * Toulouse (FR) * Yvelines (FR) * Warsaw

I have checked Prague claims and it does not look like surveillance. It looks like plan to build system for traffic control in 2022. Source article does not say anything about surveillance.

Also source article is really incoherent I do not know what author tried to say maybe some vague claim about possible bribery? Those newspapers are owned by czech PM and he uses them to attack political opponents. I would not believe a word from them otherwise there is another source.

Prague is now ruled by Pirate party and they are against using cameras for surveillance. They stated it in November 2019 when police wanted to start using face recognition. I am not sure why they added Prague to the list.

Re: At least 11 cities use automated surveillance in the EU

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The right wing candidate (Fillon) was out of the race due to some financial scandal. The left wing candidate (Hamon) who won the primary wasn't supported by the "left establishement" (who rallied Macron) as he was too much on the left. Macron was also widely supported by the medias, and there was some enthusiasm to have a "fresh" candidate. He doesn't appeal to conservatives, neither to the left but considering the c…

Will the establishments then turn away from Macron next election, when they can put up more formidable candidates? My American birds-eye view is that Macron is not very popular.

There is no establishment. The classic left party just died while the classic right party still hasn't found anyone popular enough to represent them. Macron isn't very popular during his exercice, but it has been like this for French presidents recently. If nothing changes, Macron may very likely win the next election. Things can change fast though.
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