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Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Zoom feels like a pied piper-eskque app to me. Awkward and clunky to use, lag and issues are expected. Doesn't help that we've been given no guidance from higher ups on how to use the software, so we've been discovering features as we go. Today I finally learned how to let someone else share a screen, and that button was not where you would expect.

You don’t have to ‘let’ someone else share a screen with Zoom - any attendee in a regular meeting can do so. Unless your IT dept went out of their way to really screw up your default preferences, you might be thinking of another web meeting client.

Nah we have zoom premium accounts. Kinda. You have to register it in this strange way, so half of us don't have these accounts. What this means is that if you start a zoom meeting with the premium account, you are a host and everyone else with the organizational premium account is a cohost. If you haven't enabled premium on your zoom, or you are a collegue from outside the org, the host of the meeting has to open screen sharing privileges for all guests. That button is found next to the share screen button, a small carrot revealing a menu with advanced screen sharing options. Within that settings menu is the toggle to allow guest to share screens. This is in contrast to most other host/guest controls that are found in the participants pane. These aren't the default settings, but we had to adopt these due to zoom bombings throughout the org a few weeks ago.

Of course it's zoom I'm talking about, come on dude.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Where is this place? I agree with grandparent - for the past decade or so, having your “own datacenter” means leasing floorspace in an actual datacenter run and managed by someone else. I live and work in the Bay area. I was part of the larger org that ran Uber’s datacenter (co-located) and that’s how it was talked about.

If 'having your "own datacenter"' means colocation, how do you say "having your own datacenter"?

Good question. Probably the same. English, and especially business English, is not a precise language. I am not really an expert but was part of the larger org.

Just to be clear - colocation here is in order of thousands of square feet. The datacenter provider provides redundant utilities. The customer does everything else.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Most cloud providers, Oracle included, have an S3 compatible object storage API - https://docs.cloud.oracle.com/en-us/iaas/Content/Object/Task... Even the few that don't, you can use something like Minio. I wouldn't consider S3 something that requires lock in.

This is hilarious considering Oracle is suing Google in SCOTUS over usage of public Java APIs...

Another reason to not work with them.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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When they say "running a datacenter" they almost certainly mean "buying servers to put into rented colocation space". Just about anyone who has significant network connectivity has a footprint in an Equinix datacenter. In the Bay Area you want to be in Equinix SV1 or SV5, at 11, and 9 Great Oaks, San Jose. If you're there, you can order a cross connect to basically any telco you can imagine, and any other large compa…

So many people forget that running data center is a super complex business not just in point of technology but also in terms of operation. I have known people who tried to setup a data center in India and it took them around 2 years to have the first rack installed. Biggest hurdle was to get a license to store fuel in large tanks for their generators. Not to mention many of those permissions have to be renewed annual…

You can get around some of these operational constraints with technology. For example, Google had a server design with its own in-built backup battery supply, which incidentally could be cheaper than diesel generators. So backup power for your servers is solved but you still might need to figure out backup power for other parts of the datacenter.

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So many people forget that running data center is a super complex business not just in point of technology but also in terms of operation. I have known people who tried to setup a data center in India and it took them around 2 years to have the first rack installed. Biggest hurdle was to get a license to store fuel in large tanks for their generators. Not to mention many of those permissions have to be renewed annual…

You can get around some of these operational constraints with technology. For example, Google had a server design with its own in-built backup battery supply, which incidentally could be cheaper than diesel generators. So backup power for your servers is solved but you still might need to figure out backup power for other parts of the datacenter.

Batteries don’t have anywhere near the energy density of hydrocarbons. Batteries are good for a few hours, but if you want to be able to run for days off-grid you will need hydrocarbons.

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Many of these people will take the high comp jobs at Google. Many of them also openly state they are salty at being rejected in Google interviews.

When I introspected, I realized indeed, all my dislike of Google was, at the root, just saltiness at being rejected :D.

I can't tell if sarcasm. That username and we being on hn isn't helping.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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If 'having your "own datacenter"' means colocation, how do you say "having your own datacenter"?

Good question. Probably the same. English, and especially business English, is not a precise language. I am not really an expert but was part of the larger org. Just to be clear - colocation here is in order of thousands of square feet. The datacenter provider provides redundant utilities. The customer does everything else.

>English, and especially business English, is not a precise language.

it's pretty precise when you make the effort. "having your own data center" is having your own data center. "having multiple colocations" is being colocated. There's a difference between "business English" and lying. See Zoom's "end-to-end" encryption. This is the exact kind of anti-consumer misleading bullshit that people love to echo in the startup sphere while disregarding any actual consequences.

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You can’t use AWS if you sell large amounts of stuff through Walmart either. One of my former clients demanded that we use Azure because of this.

You can use AWS, you just can't store any WalMart data there .. which is usually 30-90% of your data for your typical CPG.

Depending on how you define “store”, that basically means no AWS. This particular client understood this to mean no EC2, since data remains on disk, which cuts out the vast majority of the AWS offerings.

For this client the only AWS product we were cleared to use was Lambda, and only for integrating Alexis into the product.

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