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YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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I wonder why Google's decision-makers decided to censor stuff that doesn't follow WHO guidelines. Is it because they actually care about the mass of the population? Is it because they want to minimize the economic damage caused by the crisis? Is it because they're scared to get sick themselves? Is it because they want to avoid possible legal liability? Is it due to political pressure on them? Is it because they want…

Because dominant media platforms have a huge crosshairs on their backs, with different groups criticizing they aren’t doing enough to remove misinformation, and at the same time, they are too heavy handed. The consensus is that the platforms have to do SOMETHING, because if not, it becomes a national security issue and regulation is going sweep through the industry. At the same time, the platforms can’t be seen as en…

> Because dominant media platforms have a huge crosshairs on their backs, with different groups criticizing they aren’t doing enough to remove misinformation, and at the same time, they are too heavy handed.

> The consensus is that the platforms have to do SOMETHING, because if not, it becomes a national security issue and regulation is going sweep through the industry.

Personally, I think that education is always better than suppression. Rather than remove these videos, a better option would simply be to inform users that the video contains false information and where they can find the truth.

Not only does this avoid the problem of being accused of doing nothing or leaving misinformation uncorrected, but it also prevents the persecution complex people will get when information is suppressed and allow us to take advantage of the useful information we can get from misinformation.

It's beneficial to be able to see what misinformation people are being exposed to, the specific rhetoric, lies, and facilities being commonly employed to mislead, and the number and types of people who are creating it, falling for it, or just passing it around. Companies like Facebook and Google are in a unique position to get us that kind of data. It could ultimately help us develop ways to identify vulnerable people and where we need to educate them so they are inoculated against this type of manipulation. It could also help us assess how we craft and deliver factual data so that it clearer to these vulnerable groups and less likely to be misinterpreted or misrepresented.

All censorship is failure and missed opportunity

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Are you referring to Bill Gates?

One side wants to help people, the other side wants to punish people. It is very clear from your post history that you are the "I got mine fuck you" breed of conservatism that has corrupted the US for the past 40 years. You are the enemy.

I don't think either side wants to help people, other than their donors.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

#443

I wonder why Google's decision-makers decided to censor stuff that doesn't follow WHO guidelines. Is it because they actually care about the mass of the population? Is it because they want to minimize the economic damage caused by the crisis? Is it because they're scared to get sick themselves? Is it because they want to avoid possible legal liability? Is it due to political pressure on them? Is it because they want…

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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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But that misses the point. The very fact that a few people at Google/Youtube have the power to censor whomever they want for whatever reason they choose is a problem in itself. Are the doctors in the video saying untruths or misrepresenting data? I think what they said in the video was eminently reasonable. But perhaps I'm wrong. Luckily we have the freedom to publicly critique their claims - assuming our critiques a…

This is their math. See if you can see whats wrong... 39,500,000 -- Pop. of California 12.00% -- Pct. of people who tested positive for covid 4,740,000 -- Estimated cases (Pop. * Pct.) 1,227 -- Reported deaths 0.03% -- Estimated chance of dying from covid in California (deaths/estimated cases)

That math seems correct, you do have an extra space on the fourth line of your statistics.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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That does not logically follow if the general public does not have the expertise to evaluate public health policy discussions and decisions.

> if the general public does not have the expertise to evaluate public health policy discussions and decisions But you're now asking people to trust experts, which in 2020 is apparently crazy-talk

It doesn’t help that the experts started 2020 by downplaying the threat and telling people not to wear masks.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

#447
It's too bad that we are so quick to silence those who we perceive as wrong. Apparently, the doctors in the video were using incorrect facts; I wouldn't know, the video is gone. Discussion is being prohibited, wherever there is an approved expert to say the viewpoint is wrong.

If dissention is labelled dangerous, and dissenting voices on important subjects are silenced, then we are creating an echo chamber with no respect for anyone but those who accept the perspective of the majority. How will we ever discover if the official message is wrong?

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Suppose you're right. Does it justify censorship? Fauci can defend himself, and the docs are welcome to express their opinions. What gives Google/YouTube the justification to silence them?

>What gives Google/YouTube the justification to silence them? The fact that it is their platform. >Fauci can defend himself, Fauci is a 79 year old man busy working 20 hours a day trying to stop more people from dying, he doesn't have the time to debunk garbage on the internet. Youtube is completely within their rights to remove dangerous disinformation from their platform and I hope they take an agressive stance goi…

YouTube gets a tax exemption because it has "public forum" status, which puts some restrictions on them, basically they cannot censor anything they want, they must uphold free speech.

So, they cannot have their cake and eat it.

https://youtu.be/d6C6_NVj964

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Yes you can. You're just one of those mentally wounded MRAs who wants to burn everything down in the name of Trump. You are literally bringing up "death panels" as an equivalent argument. You are scum.

Well now I'm concerned that I'm on the same side of an argument with someone like you.

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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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> I don't understand what's wrong with the data they presented. They took stats from a massively self-selecting population - people seeking out COVID-19 testing at their facilities - and extrapolated to the general public. That's inexcusably dumb. As the bit I quoted states, that's like "estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court".

Did you watch the video? That is not what they did. What you're describing is a brief anecdote they shared about what they were seeing on the ground. Their statistics are based on state level aggregates for New York and California.

I watched the videos. Just like many others have said in this thread, the doctors took the percent of people who tested positive for covid and assumed that percent of people overall in the whole state had covid. Then they took the total number of deaths from covid, and divided that number by the population of the state.
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