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Are infections and death tolls in the countries with much less restrictive measures an order of magnitude higher?
Don't need to look at other countries just compare New York with LA.
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the insinuation you're making is that there are statistically more unreported cases than deaths. That seems like a claim you may want to justify. Find any serious expert who does not believe that. Estimates have always been that cases are underreported by 10-20x, and that's consistent with recent serology tests.
From this source [0] it looks like excess deaths are at least 2x higher than those attributed to coronavirus. If you assume deaths would decrease with less people driving / going in public, that could be even more. Cases are obviously under-reported. I'm making the claim that deaths are also under-reported, and at a rate that could be consistent with the existing known rate reported. Even if there were 10x as many ca…
You can't make that assumption because of things like suicides and people delaying treatment for serious acute health issues.
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They said they're culling misinformation and they're doing it. I don't see what's terrifying about this. Maybe unsettling if you're aggressively pro-free speech, but 'terrifying' is very hyperbolic.
Before WHO was saying there's no human to human transmission and masks don't help. So anyone who created a video opposing that would get their video taken down. Later, WHO started claiming the exact opposite. Now anyone who created a video previously will also get taken down. How exactly do you propose deciding what's misinformation and what's not?
Then the question becomes, hows does the government decide what is and what isn’t misinformation? The overwhelming answer should be ‘government shouldn’t be determining that’.
We have to be careful with this kind of stuff.
Are you OK with Google and other coorporations curating The Truth? Think about your kids! Do you want these people shaping what your children think? Put your money where your mouth is. Stop using them. The time has come for a youtube alternative that can scale and is decentralized. https://lbry.tv/Dr.-Erickson-COVID-19-Briefing:e1
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> Are the doctors in the video saying untruths or misrepresenting data? Yes, they are. https://www.dailynews.com/2020/04/28/california-doctors-with... > But public health experts were quick to debunk the doctors’ findings as misguided and riddled with statistical errors — and an example of the kind of misleading information they are forced to waste precious time disputing. > The doctors should never have assumed that…
I don't understand what's wrong with the data they presented. That article doesn't explain it, it just says it's wrong. There applications of data make perfect sense to me, that's how I'd use the data they presented. That article makes inaccurate statements like, "basically hyped a bunch of data and weren’t transparent about their methods" which is not true. There were 100% transparent about where there information w…
I can vouch for their transparency. The speed with which I was able to see that their statistical methods were totally wrong was almost entirely due to their transparency. The only fact I had to find outside of what they said was the criteria for testing in the county for which they cited statistics, which I found at https://kernpublichealth.com/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-...
"Testing is NOT indicated for asymptomatic persons."
The doctors' statistics in the quote below don't work because of sampling bias.
“In Kern County, we’ve tested 5,213 people and we have 340 positive COVID cases. Well, that’s 6.5 percent of the population. Which would indicate a widespread viral infection similar to the flu,”
One of the comments made in the video (referenced in the article as well) is "We always have between 37,000 and 60,000 deaths in the United States, every single year. No pandemic talk. No shelter in place. No shutting down businesses." Since early Feb we've seen ~54K deaths from Coronavirus alone (excluding influenza deaths) [0]. The argument that this is just part of the normal flu cycle doesn't make any sense. [0]…
The pattern is so transparent too - telling us to listen to "both sides", and implying we're being biased when we dismiss obvious misinformation. I can't help that the American right is so detached from reality.
There's a global pandemic. This bullshit will literally kill people. YouTube is a private company, and they have every right to remove this from their system.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/coronavirus-new-...
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Except they're wrong. A simple check of excess mortality shows that something has already killed more people than would normally die during a bad flu season in areas affected by the virus, and we're nowhere near the end of the infection. And that's with lockdown measures that obviously suppress a bunch of common causes of death. To successfully argue that covid-19 is less bad than the flu, you would have to show that…
That's why they looked at the data comparison of Sweden vs Norway. Sweden didn't do lockdown while Norway did. The difference is insignificant.
We really have no idea what the results of US vs Sweden or Tennessee vs Virginia will hold up by looking at it now. We need to wait 12 months, look back, add some margins of error, find correlations and debate about the potential causes.
I can understand everyone being upset and wanting things now. People are dying. Other people are 2 months behind on all their bills and going to food banks for the first time in their lives to feed their families. Despite the contrary, most States are still denying unemployment to independent contractors and business owners like hair dressers.
But making any type of prediction at this point is irrational. We need to weight everything. It's not as simple as Lives vs Economy .. the economy provides for lives.
I completely disagree with most of what the doctors in the video are saying. However I really really don't like YouTube removing content like this.
Even more, Youtube has the problem that it's algorithms push people TOWARDS the most dubious, conspiracy-driven views until and unless youtube actually removes the video.
So Youtube has multiple things to balance and removing harmful bullshit is the best of the triage they seem to be able to do on their platform.
And I had a couple of my less-informed, more mentally unstable Facebook friends sharing those videos along with angry screams about the shutdown being unnecessary - one friend prefaced the video with "that does, I'm not wearing a mask any more" (he works at a hospital, I kid you not).
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Because dominant media platforms have a huge crosshairs on their backs, with different groups criticizing they aren’t doing enough to remove misinformation, and at the same time, they are too heavy handed. The consensus is that the platforms have to do SOMETHING, because if not, it becomes a national security issue and regulation is going sweep through the industry. At the same time, the platforms can’t be seen as en…
WHO isn't independent. They have been looking out for China's talking points for a while.
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I don't understand what's wrong with the data they presented. That article doesn't explain it, it just says it's wrong. There applications of data make perfect sense to me, that's how I'd use the data they presented. That article makes inaccurate statements like, "basically hyped a bunch of data and weren’t transparent about their methods" which is not true. There were 100% transparent about where there information w…
> I don't understand what's wrong with the data they presented. They took stats from a massively self-selecting population - people seeking out COVID-19 testing at their facilities - and extrapolated to the general public. That's inexcusably dumb. As the bit I quoted states, that's like "estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court".