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With questionable copyright claim, Jay-Z orders deepfake parodies off YouTube

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https://www.descript.com/ and Lyrebird prevent people from making copies of voices that arent their own, but it looks like that cat is out of the bag. Abuse potential notwithstanding, and ignoring the complete distortion of "reality" coming soon, I'm extremely excited for this technology to become more mainstream. Being able to edit audio and video, like you edit a word document. Record a conversation for a couple ho…

A YouTuber (carykh) made a video where he explains an algorithm he made to automatically process lecture videos by speeding up, condensing and removing parts of the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ8orIurGxw

https://s.sneak.berlin/@sneak/104054875133518950

I want a YT speed setting for “constant WPM” based on their autocaption timestamp metadata.

Re: With questionable copyright claim, Jay-Z orders deepfake parodies off YouTube

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A YouTuber (carykh) made a video where he explains an algorithm he made to automatically process lecture videos by speeding up, condensing and removing parts of the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ8orIurGxw

https://s.sneak.berlin/@sneak/104054875133518950 I want a YT speed setting for “constant WPM” based on their autocaption timestamp metadata.

That’s an amazingly obvious idea whose time has come. Who do we @ to get this on YouTube already?

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Lots of examples of their synthesis here: https://lbry.tv/@VocalSynthesis:2?page=1 . I've been thinking about the deepfakes as a kind of computational thinking aid. We can all simulate reading text from the voice of random celebrities in our mind's eye. How different is the ability to bring that imagination into reality?

What with Jeff Bridges in Tron and Peter Cushing in Rogue One, I'd suspect in about a decade or so we'll begin seeing Disney movies with an almost full cast of deceased CG actors, complete with their own voice.

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Very important to note that the Midler case has very narrow interpretation. From the Opinion: > We need not and do not go so far as to hold that every imitation of a voice to advertise merchandise is actionable. We hold only that when a distinctive voice of a professional singer is widely known and is deliberately imitated in order to sell a product, the sellers have appropriated what is not theirs and have committed…

Videos on YouTube are selling advertisements so wouldn't this apply here?

"the sellers have appropriated what is not theirs"

IANAL but I think the argument can be made that YT are the sellers here and they are protected by the DMCA

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Lots of examples of their synthesis here: https://lbry.tv/@VocalSynthesis:2?page=1 . I've been thinking about the deepfakes as a kind of computational thinking aid. We can all simulate reading text from the voice of random celebrities in our mind's eye. How different is the ability to bring that imagination into reality?

What with Jeff Bridges in Tron and Peter Cushing in Rogue One, I'd suspect in about a decade or so we'll begin seeing Disney movies with an almost full cast of deceased CG actors, complete with their own voice.

See The Congress: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1821641

We should expect living actors to be signing away their likenesses for when they are dead.

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Bette Midler sued ford back in the day (1988) for hiring an impersonator to sing on an ad and won. (Of course it helped that Ford asked her to sing first) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co . "The appellate court ruled that the voice of someone famous as a singer is distinctive to their person and image and therefore, as a part of their identity, it is unlawful to imitate their voice without expres…

Then how are Elvis impersonators not a copyright violation?

Or Elvis' hypothetical twin brother. Or clone. Or close genetic laryngeal relatives.

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Bette Midler sued ford back in the day (1988) for hiring an impersonator to sing on an ad and won. (Of course it helped that Ford asked her to sing first) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co . "The appellate court ruled that the voice of someone famous as a singer is distinctive to their person and image and therefore, as a part of their identity, it is unlawful to imitate their voice without expres…

Those two cases sound rather different based on the intent.

The ford case seemed to be ford trying to get around Midler saying no. Its clear they wanted to imitate her for the purpose of selling their cars. The current case is a mix of satire and people playing around with new technologies (with youtube advertising money being incidental).

If anything seems more like a personality rights issue than a copyright issue.

IANAL.

Re: With questionable copyright claim, Jay-Z orders deepfake parodies off YouTube

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https://www.descript.com/ and Lyrebird prevent people from making copies of voices that arent their own, but it looks like that cat is out of the bag. Abuse potential notwithstanding, and ignoring the complete distortion of "reality" coming soon, I'm extremely excited for this technology to become more mainstream. Being able to edit audio and video, like you edit a word document. Record a conversation for a couple ho…

> https://www.descript.com/ and Lyrebird prevent people from making copies of voices that arent their own

how do they check which voice is your own?

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Isn't parodies are explicitly excluded from requiring to hold copyright to an object of a parody?

I don't remember the specific arguments that he laid out, but after watching this (42 minute, worthwhile) video by Tom Scott about copyright my understanding changed. Now I assume that most things don't fit some narrow requirements regarding what parodies are allowed and what aren't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwo5qc78QU

I can’t help but laugh that the opening story about music rights could have been avoided if the original Pied Piper search existed.

Re: With questionable copyright claim, Jay-Z orders deepfake parodies off YouTube

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Am I going to get sued for having a website that produces arbitrary deepfake audio (Arpabet + Tacotron + Melgan) of Trump and Biden?

My opinion is that state actors can already do this. If we train the public that "photoshop for audio and video" is a thing, then they'll learn to be skeptical.

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