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Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Is Oracle cloud any good? Is it like the other providers where you can take a credit card and use? Or do you need to give your soul to oracle?

Yes, we have a free $300 Credit and also Always Free Cloud Services just like other Cloud Vendors, give it a shot. (PS I work at Oracle). https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/

I have lots of mini projects, so I am game to try it. Any cool things I might want to play with on there?

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Are you sure you're not talking about Google Cloud?

I wasn't, no. Is their reputation as fearsome as Oracle? I have personal experience with both; only Oracle was regrettable (so far).

The last few years Google Cloud sales reps have been much more aggressive. They walk in wearing Gucci loafers, talking about their MBAs, and telling us we need to spend 50% more this year. With the new GCP head from Oracle, I wouldn't expect it to get better, but glad to hear others are getting better treatment.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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AWS isn't that far off from following in the same path. Look at what they did with Elastic Search.

I'm out of the loop, what did they do with ES (except for providing unstable service...)?

They have a habit of copying open source software and re-branding it as their own.

Here is an article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/15/technology/amazon-aws-clo...

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Why? Is it because of cost? Perhaps nepotism? I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Something seems fishy... someone from Zoom care to chime in? Maybe they are afraid that Amazon or Microsoft with their tradition of copying competition would pose a threat? Even then, Microsoft is already competing using Microsoft Teams and if Amazon wanted…

We can only speculate, but Zoom is really big in the news right now, so Oracle could have offered them a special deal so Oracle can be in the news too.

If you aren't knowledgeable enough about cloud providers to evaluate them directly on their merits, then you look for signals. Some people might think, hey, Zoom is doing well, they are a well-known, up-and-coming company, and they chose Oracle, from which we infer that Oracle must be good choice.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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My guess is simply, they don't want to fund their own competitors. Microsoft is a direct competitor already (so is Google,) and who knows what Amazon will do. That really only leaves IBM and Oracle. I've always been baffled when someone hosts on their competitors' platform. Like Netflix hosting on AWS, and Grocery Stores hosting on AWS. Microsoft & Google rarely have that problem (except on this one.)

I’ve been impressed by what I’ve heard about Walmart. They apparently won’t even use a SaaS tool if it’s hosted on Amazon.

In my last job we used Basecamp for project management and then we started doing work for Walmart. They flat out said if you want to use a SaaS tool then they have to sign a liability agreement in case any trade secrets were leaked. Needless to say they said no as did everyone else. Which forced us into self hosting a ton of stuff.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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A lot of "they must be crazy" in this thread and I admit I had the same reaction seeing the headline. However there are some options here other than "Zoom management is incompetent." 1. As others have pointed out, Amazon Google Msft all have competitive products and Zoom doesn't want to give them any more insight than they already have. 2. Oracle finally has a set of cloud products that are on par with AWS, GCP or Az…

Additionally - I don't know if Zoom's backend is Java, but if it is - Oracle has a sweet deal on getting the Enterprise version of Graal for free if you run on Oracle Cloud.

I think this could be a smart move for a company to be the "big fish in a small pond" - even if that pond is owned by a shark with freaking laser beams....

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Why? Is it because of cost? Perhaps nepotism? I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Something seems fishy... someone from Zoom care to chime in? Maybe they are afraid that Amazon or Microsoft with their tradition of copying competition would pose a threat? Even then, Microsoft is already competing using Microsoft Teams and if Amazon wanted…

We can only speculate, but Zoom is really big in the news right now, so Oracle could have offered them a special deal so Oracle can be in the news too. If you aren't knowledgeable enough about cloud providers to evaluate them directly on their merits, then you look for signals. Some people might think, hey, Zoom is doing well, they are a well-known, up-and-coming company, and they chose Oracle, from which we infer th…

Pouring one out for the zoom devops crew now forced to work with Oracle cloud because of some high level partnership decision.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Why? Is it because of cost? Perhaps nepotism? I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Something seems fishy... someone from Zoom care to chime in? Maybe they are afraid that Amazon or Microsoft with their tradition of copying competition would pose a threat? Even then, Microsoft is already competing using Microsoft Teams and if Amazon wanted…

The weakest market players are in the best position to cave to special terms for large customers.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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My guess is simply, they don't want to fund their own competitors. Microsoft is a direct competitor already (so is Google,) and who knows what Amazon will do. That really only leaves IBM and Oracle. I've always been baffled when someone hosts on their competitors' platform. Like Netflix hosting on AWS, and Grocery Stores hosting on AWS. Microsoft & Google rarely have that problem (except on this one.)

I’ve been impressed by what I’ve heard about Walmart. They apparently won’t even use a SaaS tool if it’s hosted on Amazon.

That makes sense. Even if private information isn't leaked, Amazon would still know things about usage and billing.
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