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Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by ganstyles »

Jonnax wrote: post #16

Is Oracle cloud any good? Is it like the other providers where you can take a credit card and use? Or do you need to give your soul to oracle?

No, it is really trash. It's down there with IBM cloud. I've worked with it (and IBM) extensively, and with AWS/GCP (but not azure too much yet, interestingly). Depending on what you want AWS/GCP/Azure are largely fungible, Oracle and IBM are really lacking just about everything you could want, and I would be hesitant to call them "cloud" except by the barest definition of the word. Also worked with another one, who I won't name, but scaling your instances required filling out paperwork and sending it in. Oracle wasn't quite that bad, but they're down there.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by holler »

mcbain wrote: post #27
cmauniada wrote: post #13

Why? Is it because of cost? Perhaps nepotism? I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Something seems fishy... someone from Zoom care to chime in? Maybe they are afraid that Amazon or Microsoft with their tradition of copying competition would pose a threat? Even then, Microsoft is already competing using Microsoft Teams and if Amazon wanted…

Amazon has Chime. Not heard of it? You aren’t alone there.

I've heard nothing but negative reviews about Chime from amazon employee's whom have to use it daily...

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by klohto »

cmauniada wrote: post #49
jaywalk wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was specifically about the Amazon marketplace, not AWS.

AWS isn't that far off from following in the same path. Look at what they did with Elastic Search.

I'm out of the loop, what did they do with ES (except for providing unstable service...)?

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by DevKoala »

Do people questioning the intentions of this move, have actual experience using Oracle cloud?

It seems that people really eat the marketing that AWS/GCP/Azure are the best cloud provider for every single product.

Oracle Cloud's perception is in the gutter, and it's all press. It's very possible that they have a competitive cloud service. They were making some decent offers for talent last time I checked.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by lsaferite »

partiallypro wrote: post #38
bob33212 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the technology behind zoom can be repicated in less than 2 years and for less than 100m.

Probably less than that. The reason it's so popular is that it's easy to install, requires no sign up...and you can record the meeting. Skype, Teams, Hangouts, Slack, etc all have difficult processes to join a meeting (or signup/signin/install programs to get to it.) I honestly think that is why Zoom has succeeded. Then of course there are the caps on meeting space, but I don't think that is the main reason for its s…

We used Zoom over Meet for 2 reasons. One, it had a big board where you could see all or most participants at once. Two, you could have larger meetings for free or a low cost vs. Meet. Recording ease was a big motivator but not a final deal breaker. Since then, Hangouts has added a big board style view that I've yet to test fully. On our next company meeting I will try out Hangouts and see.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by BrowserMeeting »

partiallypro wrote: post #30
cmauniada wrote: post #13

Why? Is it because of cost? Perhaps nepotism? I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Something seems fishy... someone from Zoom care to chime in? Maybe they are afraid that Amazon or Microsoft with their tradition of copying competition would pose a threat? Even then, Microsoft is already competing using Microsoft Teams and if Amazon wanted…

My guess is simply, they don't want to fund their own competitors. Microsoft is a direct competitor already (so is Google,) and who knows what Amazon will do. That really only leaves IBM and Oracle. I've always been baffled when someone hosts on their competitors' platform. Like Netflix hosting on AWS, and Grocery Stores hosting on AWS. Microsoft & Google rarely have that problem (except on this one.)

^^ this * 1,000,000.

Smart move, really. Build a relationship. Better than funding the competition.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by BrowserMeeting »

ViViDboarder wrote: post #32
partiallypro wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is simply, they don't want to fund their own competitors. Microsoft is a direct competitor already (so is Google,) and who knows what Amazon will do. That really only leaves IBM and Oracle. I've always been baffled when someone hosts on their competitors' platform. Like Netflix hosting on AWS, and Grocery Stores hosting on AWS. Microsoft & Google rarely have that problem (except on this one.)

I’ve been impressed by what I’ve heard about Walmart. They apparently won’t even use a SaaS tool if it’s hosted on Amazon.

Wow. That’s news to me. Walmart is so calculated.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by baggy_trough »

caseyf7 wrote: post #37
baggy_trough wrote: post #20

Why the hell would any business get into bed with Oracle if there is any alternative to it? That sales team is merciless, and the money will be extracted to the point that the victim is half dead, once the hooks are in.

Are you sure you're not talking about Google Cloud?

I wasn't, no. Is their reputation as fearsome as Oracle? I have personal experience with both; only Oracle was regrettable (so far).

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by linuxftw »

cmauniada wrote: post #13

Why? Is it because of cost? Perhaps nepotism? I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Something seems fishy... someone from Zoom care to chime in? Maybe they are afraid that Amazon or Microsoft with their tradition of copying competition would pose a threat? Even then, Microsoft is already competing using Microsoft Teams and if Amazon wanted…

The same way a startup chooses any hosting platform. They pick who their VCs tell them to pick because it's all a slush fund. Zoom's losses are another business owned by the same VC's gain.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by MattGaiser »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #47
cmauniada wrote: post #13

Why? Is it because of cost? Perhaps nepotism? I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Something seems fishy... someone from Zoom care to chime in? Maybe they are afraid that Amazon or Microsoft with their tradition of copying competition would pose a threat? Even then, Microsoft is already competing using Microsoft Teams and if Amazon wanted…

Google sees Zoom as competition (They recently updated Google Hangouts to compete with Zoom) so it won't make sense for them to host there. Microsoft has Skype. I am not sure about Amazon. Someone please enlighten us.

Amazon has Chime.
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