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Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by draw_down »

cmauniada wrote: post #13

Why? Is it because of cost? Perhaps nepotism? I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Something seems fishy... someone from Zoom care to chime in? Maybe they are afraid that Amazon or Microsoft with their tradition of copying competition would pose a threat? Even then, Microsoft is already competing using Microsoft Teams and if Amazon wanted…

I think this is kind of a strange reaction. I don’t use any of Oracles products but is it really SO outlandish that someone would sign a deal with them?

Zoom probably had quite a bit of leverage in that deal, certainly more than they’d have with MS or Amazon. Google and MS also have competing products.

I don’t think we need to jump to foul play here. (Besides which, what are we, faithful guardians of MSFT and AMZN revenue? It’s ok if they don’t get every deal.)

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by toyg »

partiallypro wrote: post #30
cmauniada wrote: post #13

Why? Is it because of cost? Perhaps nepotism? I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Something seems fishy... someone from Zoom care to chime in? Maybe they are afraid that Amazon or Microsoft with their tradition of copying competition would pose a threat? Even then, Microsoft is already competing using Microsoft Teams and if Amazon wanted…

My guess is simply, they don't want to fund their own competitors. Microsoft is a direct competitor already (so is Google,) and who knows what Amazon will do. That really only leaves IBM and Oracle. I've always been baffled when someone hosts on their competitors' platform. Like Netflix hosting on AWS, and Grocery Stores hosting on AWS. Microsoft & Google rarely have that problem (except on this one.)

That, and likely Oracle is doing it for free (or thereabout), financing it out of their advertising budget.

Zoom is the success story of these corona-times of ours; the headline alone is marketing gold, particularly considering nobody else in the "startupsphere" will ever give Oracle this sort of visibility - or even the time of day. At a time when Oracle is trying to push an image of being startup-friendly, this is better than the alternatives (each word they tweet on "helping startups" unleashes waves of mean and snarky jokes).

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

A lot of "they must be crazy" in this thread and I admit I had the same reaction seeing the headline.

However there are some options here other than "Zoom management is incompetent."

1. As others have pointed out, Amazon Google Msft all have competitive products and Zoom doesn't want to give them any more insight than they already have.

2. Oracle finally has a set of cloud products that are on par with AWS, GCP or Azure from a cost, availability, license perspective

3. They got a great deal to help Oracle change the way they do business so they can become competitive in Cloud

I don't know if any of these are true or not, but none are implausible imo

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by deanCommie »

searchableguy wrote: post #24
outside1234 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The truth hurts sometimes. Also, isn't GCP deprecated?

I really wonder what hn has against google. This place sometimes feel like a witch hunt ground

Google has earned it with a history of non-customer-focused behaviour. You reap what you sow.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by searchableguy »

SteveNuts wrote: post #39
searchableguy wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wonder what hn has against google. This place sometimes feel like a witch hunt ground

(In my professional experience) Google is absolutely terrible at B2B, their support is sorely lacking. (In my personal experience) Google deprecates products I love at a fast pace and have for many years. For me, they went from an air of mystery like they were the "Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory" of shops to "just another software conglomerate", and not a particularly good one at that.

> (In my professional experience) Google is absolutely terrible at B2B, their support is sorely lacking.

I am curious about which products and what kind of support they are lacking at.

> (In my personal experience) Google deprecates products I love at a fast pace and have for many years.

Can you name a few? (going to guess reader, inbox for gmail etc)

And if they are being like any other tech company, why the extra unnecessary bullying though?

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by cocktailpeanuts »

cmauniada wrote: post #13

Why? Is it because of cost? Perhaps nepotism? I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Something seems fishy... someone from Zoom care to chime in? Maybe they are afraid that Amazon or Microsoft with their tradition of copying competition would pose a threat? Even then, Microsoft is already competing using Microsoft Teams and if Amazon wanted…

Google sees Zoom as competition (They recently updated Google Hangouts to compete with Zoom) so it won't make sense for them to host there.

Microsoft has Skype.

I am not sure about Amazon. Someone please enlighten us.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by searchableguy »

deanCommie wrote: post #45
searchableguy wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wonder what hn has against google. This place sometimes feel like a witch hunt ground

Google has earned it with a history of non-customer-focused behaviour. You reap what you sow.

which customer-focused-product from google that you paid for that hurt you?

Look, I find their behavior pretty anti-consumer in some aspects too but relatively, they don't look bad.

We can talk about amp, controlling the web through blink and chromium, search, map and the list can go on.

But as I grow older, I think that's not how anything is going to change. Blaming the company is unreliable way to achieve what you hopefully want - a good competitive market with pro-consumer policies and behavior.

That won't happen with blaming google or any other company. People won't change either if you told them about AMP a million times everyday on every thread. This forum itself is an echo chamber in that sense as with other tech focused online groups.

Do you think you should participate in politics? Check up with your local authorities? And try to sneak in reforms that will probe up more competitors and improve the current monopoly?

The problem isn't that google is being anti-consumer more so that you don't have any way to reliably remove google as a dependency

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by cmauniada »

jaywalk wrote: post #33
supercanuck wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you not read the news that Amazon uses data to compete against its own customers?

That was specifically about the Amazon marketplace, not AWS.

AWS isn't that far off from following in the same path. Look at what they did with Elastic Search.
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