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I used to be wowed by this kind of hypocrisy, but lately I've concluded that these things are happening so frequently because the voters have proved to them sufficiently that they will take no heed provided it "hurts the other team." Everything on the news looks ironic now because the political class has realized there's almost no limit to what they can get away with.
Remote voting for senators and remote voting for the presidential election are very very different animals. Remote voting for senators is an easy fix, probably (hopefully) temporary with a very low risk of foreign interference. Remote voting for the general public is fraught with complexity due to voting being the jurisdiction of the states, as well as rife with opportunity for foreign governments to mess with the re…
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
I used to be wowed by this kind of hypocrisy, but lately I've concluded that these things are happening so frequently because the voters have proved to them sufficiently that they will take no heed provided it "hurts the other team." Everything on the news looks ironic now because the political class has realized there's almost no limit to what they can get away with.
Remote voting for senators and remote voting for the presidential election are very very different animals. Remote voting for senators is an easy fix, probably (hopefully) temporary with a very low risk of foreign interference. Remote voting for the general public is fraught with complexity due to voting being the jurisdiction of the states, as well as rife with opportunity for foreign governments to mess with the re…
Electronic voting? Absolutely not. But it's hard to have cyberwarfare campaigns against paper trails.
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#144Off topic since this is about senators, but to nip a possible related thread in the bud, an important reason why remote voting for citizens is a bad idea is that it can enable massive scale vote manipulation through schemes to buy or otherwise influence votes. In the privacy of one's home, outside a controlled voting booth, the problem is exacerbated, counterintuitively. A voter at home or in another uncontrolled set…
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do we do remote voting securely? The moment you move from a tiny minority voting by mail to the overwhelming majority voting by mail, the payoff for corrupting that process goes up dramatically.
Is there some part of the way states that already do it are doing it that you take umbrage with?
I'm living in a household with three roommates, unrelated to me. Maybe they're not granted the right to vote.
The mail-in ballot arrives and is completed by one other than myself, without my knowledge.
How do you prevent this?
Signing the envelope that you return the ballot in would further de-anonymize the vote.
I'm asking not out of snarkiness but because I don't know.
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The left doesn't support that, why? Because it's a transparent attempt to reduce the ability of some groups of people to vote. The right pushes for voter ID while simultaneously doing everything possible to reduce the availability of ID. Put the Federal Election Commission in charge of voter ID, make the cards free and make it the mission of the FEC to track down and ensure every qualified citizen has one. Then I s…
Do you think with 10+ million undocumented immigrants - a not insignificant portion of the population, but not citizenry - that people should not be concerned about ensuring only valid citizens can vote?
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#147I know this is talking about Senator voting, but I feel like it is time for states to seriously adopt mail-in voting like Oregon (and other states). We have to assume that there could be a shelter-in-place order in the future during the beginning of November. Better to prepare now rather than to scramble for a solution at the last minute.
How do we do remote voting securely? The moment you move from a tiny minority voting by mail to the overwhelming majority voting by mail, the payoff for corrupting that process goes up dramatically.
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The left doesn't support that because it disproportionately disenfranchises minority voters. Which is the same reason why the right DOES support it.
It's pretty racist to say some groups can't figure out how to get a driver's license.
It's pretty racist that Republicans pass laws and close DMVs in areas that make it harder for certain groups to get a driver's license.
It's also pretty racist of Republicans that they desperately don't want blacks to vote and do everything they can to prevent it, any way they can. That kind of Republican racism is why blacks are predominantly Democratic. Not because blacks foolishly let themselves get "tricked" into voting for Democrats, as the racist right-wing narrative goes.
And it's pretty racist for Republicans to try to explain away the reason that most blacks vote Democrat as the result of Democrats trying to "keep them on the plantation", when blacks are perfectly capable of deciding who to vote for all by themselves, and are not "mentally enslaved" children lacking agency who can't be trusted to decide for themselves who has their best interests in mind (and run for office themselves), otherwise they'd be tricked by those sneaky Democrats who want them to vote.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/01/08/how-democr...
>How the ‘Democratic plantation’ became one of conservatives’ favorite slurs
>Since the 1960s, the right has explained away black Democrats by denying them agency.
>In 2017, Candace Owens, then known as the YouTuber Red Pill Black, posted a short video called “How to Escape the Democrat Plantation (an easy guide).” In it, she compared African Americans who were physically enslaved before 1865 to their present-day descendants who, she argued, are mentally enslaved by the Democratic Party. She slammed the unquestionable loyalty that black people hold toward the party, which she argued functions as a plantation, in which people of African descent do the ground level work and receive nothing (or perhaps, just enough) in return. Her efforts eventually spawned the “Blexit” movement, a portmanteau that encouraged black Americans to exit the Democratic Party. [...]
>A closer look at the phrase “Democrat plantation” and the divisions that accompany it, however, make clear much of this rhetoric is shallow and ahistorical. It distorts the current state of the relationship between Democrats and African American voters, and deprives the latter of agency, in part because of a failure to adequately understand the historical comparison that this rhetoric purports to make.
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
We need a new law - call it the Unequal Protection act. Senators/Representatives can't have benefits that exceed that of the general population for certain categories like voting rights, healthcare, etc. Can't even have private healthcare. Must use the same systems that the general population has access to.
While I think the thought is nice this would just lead to those with excessive financial independence being the only ones able to take the hit of being a law maker. Someone like AOC would never be able to afford to maintain a residence in D.C. while folks like Pelosi and Feinstein would be able to trivially afford it. The same issue arises whenever folks get antsy about Senatorial pay rates - sure paying them little…
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The left doesn't support that, why? Because it's a transparent attempt to reduce the ability of some groups of people to vote. The right pushes for voter ID while simultaneously doing everything possible to reduce the availability of ID. Put the Federal Election Commission in charge of voter ID, make the cards free and make it the mission of the FEC to track down and ensure every qualified citizen has one. Then I s…
Do you think with 10+ million undocumented immigrants - a not insignificant portion of the population, but not citizenry - that people should not be concerned about ensuring only valid citizens can vote?
I live in a vote-by-mail state. You can only cast a ballot after you have registered. It is validated against your own registration. So at the time of voting, there is a hard limit on how much fraud is possible.
To have an undocumented immigrant casting a vote, they'd have to register to vote and not get caught. Except the state absolutely does check the voter registration rolls to ensure only qualified citizens are on them.
It is unnecessary to require ID every time you approach the ballot box. Invalid registrations are caught well before then.