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US Senators Introduce Resolution to Allow Remote Voting During Emergencies

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Re: US Senators Introduce Resolution to Allow Remote Voting During Emergencies

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Oh, I thought the headline meant remote voting for, you know, voters, not Senators, and was very surprised to see an R next to one of the sponsor's names. The bill's just to let the Senate vote remotely. I'd imagine most of the interesting nuance is about "presence" and quorum-making. This is not about expanding remote/by-mail voting in elections, which Republicans have generally been strongly against, including and…

I used to be wowed by this kind of hypocrisy, but lately I've concluded that these things are happening so frequently because the voters have proved to them sufficiently that they will take no heed provided it "hurts the other team." Everything on the news looks ironic now because the political class has realized there's almost no limit to what they can get away with.

>Everything on the news looks ironic

I was born and grew up in Scotland. I remember the first time I watched Fox News after moving to the states - for almost fifteen minutes I genuinely thought I was watching some (honestly pretty funny) satire.

Re: US Senators Introduce Resolution to Allow Remote Voting During Emergencies

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t need to be a power-grab (“We’re taking over the election to make sure it’s done right”). In all likelihood it would be some sort of funding incentive (“If you resolve to do vote-by-mail, we’ll give you the money to hire people and buy equipment to do it, and even throw in some money for infrastructure as a cherry on top”).

The problem with this approach is that it leaves a patchwork solution and still leaves the most disenfranchised out of the running, because ideology trumps free money. See: ACA Medicare expansion.

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Re: US Senators Introduce Resolution to Allow Remote Voting During Emergencies

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They're making sure they can vote... but yet no one has worked to make sure all of the American people can vote safely (Read also: mail in ballots for everyone).

A lot of states already do it. I think all we need to do is get the POTUS to publicly shame any remaining holdouts. It's not that expensive, so it wouldn't likely present a hardship for states to implement, so a little push in the right direction may be enough.

Mail-in ballots with voter-id is supported by the right. Any wonder why the left doesn't?

Re: US Senators Introduce Resolution to Allow Remote Voting During Emergencies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has this happened with members of the military or in states that already allow vote-by-mail? If not, why not?

Probably not, but mainly due to scale. The number of people who vote remotely is so few that the amount of fraud you can get through without being detected makes it not worth the effort.

Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and Utah conduct their elections entirely by mail. This covers perhaps 10+ million registered voters.

At what level would you consider the scale sufficient for these effects to appear?

Re: US Senators Introduce Resolution to Allow Remote Voting During Emergencies

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I know this is talking about Senator voting, but I feel like it is time for states to seriously adopt mail-in voting like Oregon (and other states). We have to assume that there could be a shelter-in-place order in the future during the beginning of November. Better to prepare now rather than to scramble for a solution at the last minute.

How do we do remote voting securely? The moment you move from a tiny minority voting by mail to the overwhelming majority voting by mail, the payoff for corrupting that process goes up dramatically.

Is there some part of the way states that already do it are doing it that you take umbrage with?

Re: US Senators Introduce Resolution to Allow Remote Voting During Emergencies

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would have to decide on a process for senators to formally register their votes remotely, and that process would have to be one that could not be hacked even by a state actor because the stakes are incredibly high. That is a tall order even for a group of technically competent people, and the U.S. Senate is not generally known for its technical competence.

And yet the Senate still often takes votes by voice, where precise counts aren't even logged. Registry of votes seems easy enough. If there's ever a question or a surprising vote, ask again. As-is, senators regularly vote by means of hand-waving and thumbs up/down gestures, so it's not like things are always super-formal even before this change.

Yes, that's true. But when a senator is on the Senate floor there is no doubt about his or her identity. How are you going to insure that the person registering a vote remotely is in fact the senator and not someone posing as the senator? Yes, there are ways to solve this problem, but they are not trivial.

Re: US Senators Introduce Resolution to Allow Remote Voting During Emergencies

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post #64

I'm against this resolution, because it opens up the possibility of senate voter fraud. What's to stop dead senators from voting? Or senators from voting twice? This may even make it possible for former felons in the senate to vote!

Not sure how you equate 100 known peoples' votes to potentially 330m peoples' votes.

Re: US Senators Introduce Resolution to Allow Remote Voting During Emergencies

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post #60

Oh, I thought the headline meant remote voting for, you know, voters, not Senators, and was very surprised to see an R next to one of the sponsor's names. The bill's just to let the Senate vote remotely. I'd imagine most of the interesting nuance is about "presence" and quorum-making. This is not about expanding remote/by-mail voting in elections, which Republicans have generally been strongly against, including and…

Interestingly enough, a significant majority of Republican Voters (~65%) actually do support mail in ballots. The opposition largely stems from the RNC and senior party leadership. In any case I am glad that the US senate is taking public health seriously, and I hope that they will take similar precautions in protecting their constituents by passing the Klobuchar-Wyden bill to allow mail in voting: https://www.wyden.…

The right supports mail-in ballots with voter-id, and voter-id in general. The left doesn't support that, why?
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