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Sweden didn't shut down. Hospitals are not overwhelmed. Cases have plateaued

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Re: Sweden didn't shut down. Hospitals are not overwhelmed. Cases have plateaued

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Sweden banned international flights from outside of Europe. Sweden banned gathering of more than 50 people. Sweden closed down the universities. Sweden permanently closed down 5 restraunts this weekend for flouting social distancing rules. And, most importantly, their cases are not plataueing, their deaths are not plataueing. https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6...

They only banned >50 people last month.

Re: Sweden didn't shut down. Hospitals are not overwhelmed. Cases have plateaued

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are some relevant differences between Sweden and New Zealand. https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/21/sweden-coronavirus-anti...

what do you think are the relevant differences?

Being part of the EU, Schengen where people can travel abroad much more frequently due to distances. Also, it's common in the end of February to go skiing during Sportlov week so traveling to the hotspots in Austria and Italy was a bit more frequent for Swedes than New Zealanders, I assume.

Re: Sweden didn't shut down. Hospitals are not overwhelmed. Cases have plateaued

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm? Plenty of countries that did shutdown did experience "a few thousand unnecessary deaths". What's your point? OP's and/or TFA's point, as well as many people's who talk about this, seems to be that Sweden is faring as well as its neighbors that did shutdown. That's a big deal. And did Taiwan shutdown? IIRC they did not. They were able to get way ahead of everyone and stop the spread of covid-19. Since most other…

> faring as well as its neighbors It isn't though. Look at the number of deaths in Norway and Finland, and adjust based on population. Sweden is not doing very well. Perhaps , long term, the other countries catch up if they go through a cycle of opening up some and shutting down, but we don't know that now.

Norway's method to count deaths due to CoViD-19 is very different than Sweden's.

Re: Sweden didn't shut down. Hospitals are not overwhelmed. Cases have plateaued

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Congrats to Sweden for "only" having 2,000 dead. Tell that to the over 56,000 dead Americans despite lockdown. Also, Sweden is under de facto lockdown even if they don't want to call it that.

That said, it is important to note that Sweden has one of the highest death rates in the world. Almost 40% higher than the US and at least 200-300% that of its neighbors. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-mi... If the US had the same death rate, the total deaths would be closer to 80,000

Population size is only an upper bound limit for disease spread, it doesn't tell anything else so using per capita inference to extrapolate is pretty flawed.

Re: Sweden didn't shut down. Hospitals are not overwhelmed. Cases have plateaued

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> faring as well as its neighbors It isn't though. Look at the number of deaths in Norway and Finland, and adjust based on population. Sweden is not doing very well. Perhaps , long term, the other countries catch up if they go through a cycle of opening up some and shutting down, but we don't know that now.

Norway's method to count deaths due to CoViD-19 is very different than Sweden's.

How do they differ?

Re: Sweden didn't shut down. Hospitals are not overwhelmed. Cases have plateaued

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Sweden banned international flights from outside of Europe. Sweden banned gathering of more than 50 people. Sweden closed down the universities. Sweden permanently closed down 5 restraunts this weekend for flouting social distancing rules. And, most importantly, their cases are not plataueing, their deaths are not plataueing. https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6...

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