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US states set to reopen as coronavirus could push jobless rate to 16%

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Re: US states set to reopen as coronavirus could push jobless rate to 16%

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Post by bsder »

sheeshkebab wrote: post #3

“Opinion polls have generally shown a bipartisan majority of Americans want to remain at home to protect themselves from the coronavirus, despite the impact to the economy.” I’ll trust public opinion with my next health decision, it’s always spot on.

The problem is that the majority of states reopening were on course to exhaust their unemployment budgets.

Consequently, this looks like a bunch of Republican governors trying to deny people unemployment benefits rather than a positive move to get back to normal.

Re: US states set to reopen as coronavirus could push jobless rate to 16%

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

paypalcust83 wrote: post #18

Testing first, scientific analysis next, and opening last. Or people can go to an Oklahoma restaurant packed shoulder-to-shoulder without masks with their governor and expedite the restart the pandemic curve to end up with 100k more deaths.

What specific scientific analyses would you like to see performed? Some testing has already happened; maybe the answers you're looking for are available there.

Re: US states set to reopen as coronavirus could push jobless rate to 16%

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Post by woofyman »

eric_b wrote: post #17
sheeshkebab wrote: post #3

“Opinion polls have generally shown a bipartisan majority of Americans want to remain at home to protect themselves from the coronavirus, despite the impact to the economy.” I’ll trust public opinion with my next health decision, it’s always spot on.

It's remarkable that people are begging their governors to take away their civil liberties. Table 2 is all a rational person should need to see to realize the quarantine is the work of fear-mongering by politicians and the media: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm (For those who need an explanation - over the last two months, the data compiled in this chart shows that for people under 54, they are v…

Covid-19 deaths are what they are because social distancing works. Even then, it’s the second cause of death. Only surpassed by heart disease.

Re: US states set to reopen as coronavirus could push jobless rate to 16%

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Post by jedberg »

eric_b wrote: post #17
sheeshkebab wrote: post #3

“Opinion polls have generally shown a bipartisan majority of Americans want to remain at home to protect themselves from the coronavirus, despite the impact to the economy.” I’ll trust public opinion with my next health decision, it’s always spot on.

It's remarkable that people are begging their governors to take away their civil liberties. Table 2 is all a rational person should need to see to realize the quarantine is the work of fear-mongering by politicians and the media: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm (For those who need an explanation - over the last two months, the data compiled in this chart shows that for people under 54, they are v…

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to see in Table 2. I see more dead than Influenza. And that's despite most everything being closed. We don't close the country for influenza. So clearly this thing is way worse.

Re: US states set to reopen as coronavirus could push jobless rate to 16%

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

newacct583 wrote: post #11
brightball wrote: post #9

We have to find a way to get to a new normal, where we can go about our daily lives with some reasonable level of safety measures. It’s simply not sustainable to maintain a shut down long term.

Isn't what this article is about? "Some" states are "opening up", so I guess we'll get data soon as to how much economic benefit they got vs. how many lives were lost. This doesn't sound, to me, like a very ethical experiment given that the cost of waiting it out for another two-ish months is comparatively easily calculated and not terribly "doomsday" in scope. Whereas a return to the days of late March where the dea…

That's interesting, I hadn't seen calculations like that. What's the cost of waiting it out for another two-ish months?

Re: US states set to reopen as coronavirus could push jobless rate to 16%

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Post by jedberg »

sheeshkebab wrote: post #3

“Opinion polls have generally shown a bipartisan majority of Americans want to remain at home to protect themselves from the coronavirus, despite the impact to the economy.” I’ll trust public opinion with my next health decision, it’s always spot on.

The point of that is to counteract the claims of politicians that Americans want to return to normal. They don't.

Health officials have been saying to stay home all along. It's politicians that are saying it's ok not to.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather take advice from health officials instead of politicians.

Re: US states set to reopen as coronavirus could push jobless rate to 16%

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Post by bsder »

eric_b wrote: post #17
sheeshkebab wrote: post #3

“Opinion polls have generally shown a bipartisan majority of Americans want to remain at home to protect themselves from the coronavirus, despite the impact to the economy.” I’ll trust public opinion with my next health decision, it’s always spot on.

It's remarkable that people are begging their governors to take away their civil liberties. Table 2 is all a rational person should need to see to realize the quarantine is the work of fear-mongering by politicians and the media: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm (For those who need an explanation - over the last two months, the data compiled in this chart shows that for people under 54, they are v…

Funny. I didn't hear much talk about civil liberties about RealID, buffing up social security number checks, accidentally detaining US citizens in the border concentration camps, US citizens being denied their right to vote, etc.

Politics isn't religion. Some of us will fight you when you trot out your particular bigoted prejudices.

Try some different Cambridge Analytica AI word salad. This batch isn't working.

(Hrm. I seem to be particularly grouchy today ...)

Re: US states set to reopen as coronavirus could push jobless rate to 16%

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Post by eric_b »

jedberg wrote: post #24
eric_b wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's remarkable that people are begging their governors to take away their civil liberties. Table 2 is all a rational person should need to see to realize the quarantine is the work of fear-mongering by politicians and the media: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm (For those who need an explanation - over the last two months, the data compiled in this chart shows that for people under 54, they are v…

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to see in Table 2. I see more dead than Influenza. And that's despite most everything being closed. We don't close the country for influenza. So clearly this thing is way worse .

Thanks for not even trying. What you should see if you open your eyes and your mind is that anyone under 54 is many times more likely to die from something else other than COVID.

Surely even someone such as yourself could imagine a scenario where not EVERYONE needs to be locked down? Perhaps just those in the higher risk brackets?

Re: US states set to reopen as coronavirus could push jobless rate to 16%

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Post by betterattrib »

eric_b wrote: post #17
sheeshkebab wrote: post #3

“Opinion polls have generally shown a bipartisan majority of Americans want to remain at home to protect themselves from the coronavirus, despite the impact to the economy.” I’ll trust public opinion with my next health decision, it’s always spot on.

It's remarkable that people are begging their governors to take away their civil liberties. Table 2 is all a rational person should need to see to realize the quarantine is the work of fear-mongering by politicians and the media: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm (For those who need an explanation - over the last two months, the data compiled in this chart shows that for people under 54, they are v…

Help me understand your position.

I look at table 2 and see almost 30k people that died DESPITE a nationwide lockdown. Given what we know about the virus, that number would've hit 2M-4M had we not had the lockdown. What am I missing?

Re: US states set to reopen as coronavirus could push jobless rate to 16%

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Post by nightfly »

eric_b wrote: post #17
sheeshkebab wrote: post #3

“Opinion polls have generally shown a bipartisan majority of Americans want to remain at home to protect themselves from the coronavirus, despite the impact to the economy.” I’ll trust public opinion with my next health decision, it’s always spot on.

It's remarkable that people are begging their governors to take away their civil liberties. Table 2 is all a rational person should need to see to realize the quarantine is the work of fear-mongering by politicians and the media: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm (For those who need an explanation - over the last two months, the data compiled in this chart shows that for people under 54, they are v…

Real-world hospitals in the US in areas that were hit hard by COVID-19 were/are overwhelmed by it. And even areas that aren't that hard hit can't provide enough tests to know who is actually infected.
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