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Post by fredophile »

amelius wrote: post #102
OrangeMango wrote: post #40

At a rummage sale a few years ago, I bought a book published by Disney in the 1960s or 1970s which had instructions on how to make Mickey Mouse puppets. It also said to "have fun" making them. Selling things for a profit is a lot of fun. As far as I'm concerned, I now have a perpetual, transferable license to make and sell Mickey Mouse puppets. I even asked a lawyer.

This reminds me of a book called "numerical recipes in C", full of algorithms that were very useful except you couldn't really use them because the authors protected their use with a very restrictive license.

I have that book sitting on my bookshelf and would never dream of copying anything verbatim from it. Writing the code out yourself can significantly improve readability of the code.

Re: Disney claims anyone using a Twitter hashtag is agreeing to their terms of use

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Post by owenmarshall »

mangoman wrote: post #17

I think the value of hiring more experienced folks to run social media (i.e. not an intern, someone with any amount of experience) is that they can actually point out how ridiculous this will come off, and argue against this type of tweet. It really doesn't take that much corporate self awareness to see how bad it looks to try to force TOS on free speech on a public forum.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_The_...

I’m sure that the company who owns somewhere around 35 cable TV channels and half a dozen film studios has the stereotypical intern running social media.

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Post by alex_young »

OrangeMango wrote: post #40

At a rummage sale a few years ago, I bought a book published by Disney in the 1960s or 1970s which had instructions on how to make Mickey Mouse puppets. It also said to "have fun" making them. Selling things for a profit is a lot of fun. As far as I'm concerned, I now have a perpetual, transferable license to make and sell Mickey Mouse puppets. I even asked a lawyer.

By that reasoning you could use said puppets to press play on bootleg Disney movies shown to theater audiences and claim that was fun, right?

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Post by ValentineC »

komali2 wrote: post #149
jedberg wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You start by making a trilogy with no coherent story across the three movies that ends by basically undoing the first two trilogies and go from there. (For the record I enjoyed the last three movies as general fantasy movies, they just didn't fit all that well into the mythology).

The "cool" parts were cool. The fights were way better than the clone wars trilogy. The return to using puppets and other physical props was great. Trying for a strong woman lead - excellent. The characters - garbage. The story - trash. Spiking a star destroyer with a FTL ship - universe-ruining, but it certainly sounded dope. It didn't "ruin" star wars though. Nothing can ever change how great the first (first-made)…

> Nothing can ever change how great the first (first-made) three movies were. Well, nothing other than destroying all original copies and only making available ones with bad Xbox-graphics 3d model aliens walking around directly in front of all the best shots.

I've heard that a lot of it was done to exclude George Lucas's ex-wife from the editing credits, and possibly royalties: https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/6b290m/the_sad_stor...

Re: Disney claims anyone using a Twitter hashtag is agreeing to their terms of use

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Post by endgame »

amelius wrote: post #102
OrangeMango wrote: post #40

At a rummage sale a few years ago, I bought a book published by Disney in the 1960s or 1970s which had instructions on how to make Mickey Mouse puppets. It also said to "have fun" making them. Selling things for a profit is a lot of fun. As far as I'm concerned, I now have a perpetual, transferable license to make and sell Mickey Mouse puppets. I even asked a lawyer.

This reminds me of a book called "numerical recipes in C", full of algorithms that were very useful except you couldn't really use them because the authors protected their use with a very restrictive license.

I have been to briefings about source code licensing that specifically call that book out as "do not open".

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Post by sizzle »

OrangeMango wrote: post #40

At a rummage sale a few years ago, I bought a book published by Disney in the 1960s or 1970s which had instructions on how to make Mickey Mouse puppets. It also said to "have fun" making them. Selling things for a profit is a lot of fun. As far as I'm concerned, I now have a perpetual, transferable license to make and sell Mickey Mouse puppets. I even asked a lawyer.

That sounds like an awesome relic, got any pics or sharing the title of the book if you don't mind? Would love to see what the puppets look like in all their hand-crafted glory..

Re: Disney claims anyone using a Twitter hashtag is agreeing to their terms of use

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Post by pnw_hazor »

Disney should have licensed the rights they need directly from Twitter.

Twitter users already grant Twitter the same rights Disney was asking for. Those rights include letting Twitter share, modify, or re-license the user generated content with few limitations.

Here Disney is trying to clear the rights to include user generated or user provided content in promotional material.

This is similar to how they get the rights to use other contest-like user submissions submitted by email, official Disney forums, apps, or web forms.

However, here they completely misjudged how this looks on Twitter and how the twitter laity would respond.

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Post by fphhotchips »

CaveTech wrote: post #7
BitwiseFool wrote: post #2

I don't see this holding up - especially because it's ripe for abuse. What's to stop me from making a TOS for my own hashtag?

"By creating digital advertising, you agree to pay me, in perpetuity, all profit generated." - Me There's clearly no legal standing for a 3rd party organization to make blanket agreements for platforms they don't own.

I've been thinking about this all morning and the platform isn't the problem. After all, plenty of software is based on using someone else's platform to form legal agreements.

The problem here is the requirement of Consideration in contracts. Twitter can bind me to their TOU because they give me the ability to use their platform. Disney can't, because they can't stop me from using #MayThe4th on Twitter - there's no consideration from them to me, so there's no contract.

If you could trademark dates, however...

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Post by nulbyte »

pnw_hazor wrote: post #257

Disney should have licensed the rights they need directly from Twitter. Twitter users already grant Twitter the same rights Disney was asking for. Those rights include letting Twitter share, modify, or re-license the user generated content with few limitations. Here Disney is trying to clear the rights to include user generated or user provided content in promotional material. This is similar to how they get the righ…

I don't think they even need to ask. The way I read the terms, they already had it, so I think they are angling to put themselves in control unilaterally and one-up Twitter. Disney's terms have prohibition on "offensive" content, while Twitter's terms acknowledges you maybe exposed to offensive content. Twitter says others may use the content on other media and services:

> This license authorizes us to make your Content available to the rest of the world and to let others do the same. You agree that this license includes the right for Twitter to provide, promote, and improve the Services and to make Content submitted to or through the Services available to other companies, organizations or individuals for the syndication, broadcast, distribution, Retweet, promotion or publication of such Content on other media and services, subject to our terms and conditions for such Content use.

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Post by userbinator »

berbec wrote: post #56
na85 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Makes me want to set up a twitter bot that tweets things that are purposely against Disney's bullshit TOS and tags it with #MayThe4th.

#winniethepooh #taiwaneseindependence #MayThe4th

#JuneThe4th
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