The reddit hive mind has become terrifying. It has seriously had a tangible effect on my faith in humanity.
I never got onto Twitter but I assume it's about the same.
The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May
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Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May
#222People forget that there is no law which can put everyone under house arrest. This is all done voluntarily. Why is it ok for people to shop at Walmart and not at their local small business that sells the same goods and is better equipped to enforce social distancing, with customers explicitly opting in to visit the smaller store? If a small business can protect workers and customers, and a comparable large business i…
I'm not aware of any lockdowns which are specifically targeted at small retailers while competing large retailers are allowed to be open. Where I am the small coffee shops are closed for walk-in business, but so are the Starbucks; the difference is that small coffee shops are not able to pivot to a centralized delivery platform en masse the way Starbucks is.
Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May
#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
Without social distancing or contact tracing. The Bay Area's r is probably around 0.8 at this point with Santa Clara even lower (EDITED - see notes below). Some restrictions can be relaxed.
> The Bay Area's r is probably under 0.8 at this point Could you tell me where are you getting this magic number ballpark estimate from? (somewhere concrete, not just your gut and imagination)
Various data points. This is an upper bound, more calculated for Santa Clara county.
International comparisons to lockdown level and case count changes.
Assuming serial interval of 4 and > 10x non-detection rate on March 31 and 3x now gives you this.
Knowing people were dying if the disease in early February implies very high lack of detection when SIP was in place. (Likely over 800 infections a day when Santa Clara activated SIP)
Edit: More detailed explanation above.
Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May
#224Seems like we will need more Fed dollars flowing. Seems like recovery is going to be slow with more pain to come.
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#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
Um, I'm not sure if you're being serious, but there are plenty of ways to gradually re-open. As an example: step 1) re-open elementary schools step 2) re-open middle schools step 3) re-open high schools & colleges step 4) re-open all small businesses that do not result in gatherings of more than 2 people in one place, then 5, then 10, then 20, then 50 I'm not saying that's the right approach but there is certainly mi…
I think the problem at this point is two-fold: 1) Schools are about to be done for the academic year, so they're effectively shut down until August anyway. It wouldn't make sense to re-open schools for less than a month. 2) For better or for worse, we've conditioned people to be wary of contact with other people. A movie theater that's 10% full is still hemorrhaging money, perhaps worse than if it was closed entirely…
> 1) Schools are about to be done for the academic year, so they're effectively shut down until August anyway. It wouldn't make sense to re-open schools for less than a month.
Though it could make sense to re-open them a month early, health concerns permitting. They already got a "summer break" and can make up for lost time
Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
1 more month will probably put a huge number of businesses out of business. Is there a reason why they'd do something like this, where anyone who looks will see that it's not at all needed?
Opening too early would be the end of a political career. A ruined economy isn't, you can always point to "the virus" that did it.
Yup. Sadly, our politicians care more about getting re-elected than doing what's right for society.
Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May
#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can mitigate the risk of dying in a traffic accident unilaterally in ways you can't with a virus, and C19 is probably already killing more people than car accidents by a significant margin.
Sure you don't wear seatbelts and install airbags to mitigate the risk of COVID-19, but the point is that you can take measures to reduce the risk of contracting the virus to a socially acceptable level and not have to destroy people's livelihoods. We have after all not waited for the perfectly safe car before allowing millions of cars on the road. The lockdown in its current form seems more like waiting for the perf…
I think the most important thing we're waiting for is adequate testing levels.
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#228Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May
#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Meanwhile, data is coming out to show that coronavirus has a very low fatality risk to anyone under the age of 50, and to anyone without pre-existing health conditions. 34% of America is aged 50 and over[1]. Almost 40% of America is obese[2], which is a risk factor for COVID-19 complications[3]. > A blanket shutdown does not make any sense when the vulnerable demographic has been clearly identified. When the "vulne…
Personal responsibility must enter the equation; otherwise, you're consigning those of us who have made good decisions about our health to pay the price for those who haven't.
So glad I made the decision to be born after 1970. At the time all my friends said I was crazy but it really paid off.
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#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just a thought, but it seems like there can be a middle ground where people belonging to certain risk groups (age, preexisting conditions, etc) are encouraged to take stronger shelter in place measures, and in exchange are granted larger amounts of financial aid to compensate. People not belonging to risk groups can resume working, still taking extra precautions to prevent transmission. The economy can gradually reop…
I'd truly love to hear a good counterargument to this. I've argued much the same thing only to have the same opposing talking points restated verbatim.
You and the parent posters are assuming that everyone lives on their own and that younger people don't live with or take care of older people. Once things open up, employers will expect younger employees to show up. Couple that with asymptomatic transmission, how do you practice social distancing in a closed home?