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Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by jabroni_salad »

orbifold wrote: post #72
ObsoleteNerd wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roughly 40% of food created, is wasted: https://www.nrdc.org/sites/default/files/wasted-2017-report....

Well the alternative would probably be empty food shelves like you had in planned economies like the DDR and Soviet Union. Just in time food production just doesn't work for things that have to start production ~2-6 months before they are delivered and have a shelf life of ~1-2 weeks. Fresh bread delivered to bakeries regularly sells out here and this is expected, same with Meat and some vegetables. But there is no w…

per the link in the parent comment, only 13% of food waste occurs in the supermarket. Supermarkets do waste a lot but there is a lot of work to do elsewhere.

If less waste occurred elsewhere perhaps less would be sold, but I do not see why that would necessitate a planned economy. In fact, 43% of the waste is in the household. This is an addressable gap that doesn't require legislation, just for just for people to be more diligent about the first two Rs in Reduce/Reuse/Recycle.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by koheripbal »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #91
naruvimama wrote: post #58

It is our collective karma, to outsource cruelty to industrial animal farming. Even though I have become mostly vegetarian, it is quite tempting to buy meat for the convenience and the fact that sometimes it is much cheaper than fresh vegetables (at least in the west). Human progress and social evolution has somehow come with greater compassion for fellow beings. Will our coming generations value compassion in itself…

> Will an advanced alien visitor be shocked by our animal farming or will will they hunt us down for meat. I guess we should expect either based on our own behaviour. What are your thoughts on where they will judge us for our pro-choice stance? Do you think that will shock them too?

Given that the likely average age difference between species is measured in the hundreds of millions of years, I doubt that anything we do would shock them at all.

We are likely too inconsequential to even bother with examination.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by koheripbal »

zhte415 wrote: post #59

I'd say set them free. But given the breeding of commercial chickens they'd simply not survive in the wild - not stop growing and after just days be unable to move, and easy prey. If you're fortunate enough to have land, use it, even a balcony or window sill can be put to good use. There are plenty of guides on YouTube, and for a window sill no need to spend money on herbs again. For food or for leisure (or both) - i…

Is it possible to buy baby chicks for delivery by mail? Serious question.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by koheripbal »

enneff wrote: post #81
zhte415 wrote: post #59

I'd say set them free. But given the breeding of commercial chickens they'd simply not survive in the wild - not stop growing and after just days be unable to move, and easy prey. If you're fortunate enough to have land, use it, even a balcony or window sill can be put to good use. There are plenty of guides on YouTube, and for a window sill no need to spend money on herbs again. For food or for leisure (or both) - i…

Releasing them would be dooming them to a horrible death. They'd end up ripped apart by wild animals or otherwise injured and live in pain until they die.

> They'd end up ripped apart by wild animals

...so exactly like the fate of literally every other wild animal on Earth.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by AQuantized »

sfj wrote: post #96
arnoooooo wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"a full, relatively pain free life" is not at all an accurate description of anything related to factory farming. Also, karma is not about judgment. It's about each individual's own state of consciousness.

> "a full, relatively pain free life" is not at all an accurate description of anything related to factory farming. You understand that I'm not saying relative to your life, right, but to some other life in some other universe? > Also, karma is not about judgment. It's about each individual's own state of consciousness. It seems to be about your individual biases and judgement, actually.

I don't understand how some hypothetical life in some hypothetical other universe is at all a sensible barometer to measure the quality of a life against?

It seems much more sane to benchmark against the life we have and know here.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by koheripbal »

palae wrote: post #57

Taking a critical look at one's own meat consumption can be enlightening, because it is something that we often take for granted. Do I eat meat because it is necessary for my health? If not, what are the reasons? How is the meat that I'm eating produced? How long do these animals live compared to their natural life span? What is the environmental cost of animal farming? Etc., Etc. I did not find convincing answers to…

I eat hamburgers because they are delicious.

I assume that the ethical, ecological, and societal impacts of that decision is somehow internalize in the price.

I know I am wrong - but I hope that becomes true one day.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by sandworm101 »

skybrian wrote: post #110
mike_d wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> focus on the World's broken food supply and its immense waste That is an extremely hyperbolic statement. According to the United Nations [ https://tinyurl.com/y9esnjez ] fruits, vegetables, cereals, and roots account for 70% of all food waste. It is unfortunate that due to a global pandemic they had to be put down, but chickens are the most efficient form for preserving and delivering calories from grains to the ta…

Well, that raises further questions. How could a chicken farm or chicken meat in a freezer be more efficient forms of calorie storage than a grain silo or a shipment of flour? Do you have a source?

Because frozen meat stays good literally forever. Flour eventually goes bad. Grain can rot.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by Scoundreller »

koheripbal wrote: post #113
zhte415 wrote: post #59

I'd say set them free. But given the breeding of commercial chickens they'd simply not survive in the wild - not stop growing and after just days be unable to move, and easy prey. If you're fortunate enough to have land, use it, even a balcony or window sill can be put to good use. There are plenty of guides on YouTube, and for a window sill no need to spend money on herbs again. For food or for leisure (or both) - i…

Is it possible to buy baby chicks for delivery by mail? Serious question.

Sure is.

https://www.mcmurrayhatchery.com/index.html

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by Zenbit_UX »

koheripbal wrote: post #112
drevil-v2 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Will an advanced alien visitor be shocked by our animal farming or will will they hunt us down for meat. I guess we should expect either based on our own behaviour. What are your thoughts on where they will judge us for our pro-choice stance? Do you think that will shock them too?

Given that the likely average age difference between species is measured in the hundreds of millions of years, I doubt that anything we do would shock them at all. We are likely too inconsequential to even bother with examination.

> We are likely too inconsequential to even bother with examination.

I was with you until this part, there's simply no way that's true. Even if the universe was brimming with life, an advance species' scientists and would be foaming at the mouth to discover a new sentient species, just like ours do when we discover something new.

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