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Americans eat 24M chickens per day. So 2M killed is only a fraction of the number eaten in a single day. However it's still deplorable that we can't find a way to not waste this amount of food.
Think about it. "Wasting" food is identical to overproduction of food. That's slack in the system that prevents people from starving.
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And how was the experince? Some blog, could learn from it?
Thanks for asking! but unfortunately I haven't written anything up about it, but informally I can share that it's really benefited our health and even finances. Eating beans and rice every day and not eating out is very cheap. I buy most of our food in bulk online or from local farms - e.g. just got 50kg of chickpeas in the mail and 20kg of string beans from a farm. We also avoid eating oil for health reasons
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I'm surprised your comment is being downvoted. There was an article shared on HN last year and suggesting plants are more aware than what we typically give credit to them. I also don't think its completely out there to assume humanity won't be modifying how the human body consumes energy.
It's being downvoted because it doesn't really make sense. Plants lack a central nervous system, so vegans tend to draw the line somewhere there. Regardless if we did find out that plants somehow where conscious and could feel pain we need to feed animals a huge amount of plant matter in order for us to eat them. If vegans are trying to minimise harm done then it'd still make sense to eat them directly than eat anima…
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I think the word prematurely is missing
> I think the word prematurely is missing If its a the processing plant that's kind of true, even if they could run them through the automated 'harvesting' system its probably really expensive to store until an undisclosed time for it to be processed and then sent to market. At a significant loss in Market price, I imagine. So its best to take the subsidy/insured loss and restart again. This is actually really fuckin…
That is an extremely hyperbolic statement.
According to the United Nations [https://tinyurl.com/y9esnjez] fruits, vegetables, cereals, and roots account for 70% of all food waste. It is unfortunate that due to a global pandemic they had to be put down, but chickens are the most efficient form for preserving and delivering calories from grains to the table.
Additionally, industrialized and developing nations waste food at the same rate - just in different stages of the logistics chain. No system is perfectly efficient, and while there are improvements to be made - it is pretty damn amazing that the majority of 7 billion people have a meal a day.
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Claude Lévi-Strauss said[0]: "A day will come when the idea that for the sake of food the people of the past raised and massacred living beings and with complete equanimity displayed their flesh in bits and pieces in shop windows, will no doubt inspire the same revulsion that the cannibalistic meals of the Americans, Oceanians, or Africans inspired in the travelers of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries." [0]: h…
> raised and massacred living beings Plants are also living beings...
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And how was the experince? Some blog, could learn from it?
Thanks for asking! but unfortunately I haven't written anything up about it, but informally I can share that it's really benefited our health and even finances. Eating beans and rice every day and not eating out is very cheap. I buy most of our food in bulk online or from local farms - e.g. just got 50kg of chickpeas in the mail and 20kg of string beans from a farm. We also avoid eating oil for health reasons
Hope you’re talking to a doctor and nutritionist!
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And how was the experince? Some blog, could learn from it?
Thanks for asking! but unfortunately I haven't written anything up about it, but informally I can share that it's really benefited our health and even finances. Eating beans and rice every day and not eating out is very cheap. I buy most of our food in bulk online or from local farms - e.g. just got 50kg of chickpeas in the mail and 20kg of string beans from a farm. We also avoid eating oil for health reasons
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It's hard to survive in a healthy way for most of the world without eating animals unfortunately. Animals die in nature all the time, in much worse ways than the clean deaths they would get in a meat processing plant. Death is part of the cycle of life, and it seems we are forgetting that since we've become so far separated from nature these days.
That's a big call there buddy. There is basically no plant based diet that can be made more healthy with the addition of animal products. If there is let us know. You'll probably get a Nobel prize for the revelation
But if you don't have all that infrastructure and support, if your region is overrun by locusts or warlords or gangs, then sticking to any "I'm only going to eat these categories" diet is impossible. You eat what you can get, and if you don't happen to have enough plant food today, eating meat (if available) is healthier than starving.
It is our collective karma, to outsource cruelty to industrial animal farming. Even though I have become mostly vegetarian, it is quite tempting to buy meat for the convenience and the fact that sometimes it is much cheaper than fresh vegetables (at least in the west). Human progress and social evolution has somehow come with greater compassion for fellow beings. Will our coming generations value compassion in itself…
Only a conscious being would feel pain, so what is consciousness? Does it come down and embed itself into creatures that are born? If so, if they weren't born, would that be necessarily better? What if consciousness, if it didn't have a body to enter into, appeared in a different universe from ours with its own, possibly worse, sufferings? Wouldn't it be better to give the animal a full, relatively pain free life than the possibility that it would suffer greater in some other universe in some other dimension?
Or does consciousness originate on the spot, somehow born along with the creature? In that case it would be better to not be born at all? Or would it be better to have more consciousness in the universe, despite the suffering an individual might experience, rather than otherwise? Is consciousness a good in itself? Would a universe devoid of all conscious beings be the perfect good, lonely, desolate, without meaning. Or one full of them, with shared misery to go around?
All in all, it's seems quite a murky topic to be throwing around judgement on people about.
It is our collective karma, to outsource cruelty to industrial animal farming. Even though I have become mostly vegetarian, it is quite tempting to buy meat for the convenience and the fact that sometimes it is much cheaper than fresh vegetables (at least in the west). Human progress and social evolution has somehow come with greater compassion for fellow beings. Will our coming generations value compassion in itself…
I find the assumptions embedded in this argument very strange. It brings up a huge number of questions. Only a conscious being would feel pain, so what is consciousness? Does it come down and embed itself into creatures that are born? If so, if they weren't born, would that be necessarily better? What if consciousness, if it didn't have a body to enter into, appeared in a different universe from ours with its own, po…
Also, karma is not about judgment. It's about each individual's own state of consciousness.