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Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by sand_castles »

golergka wrote: post #44
cmauniada wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We live in a bubble, I feel so out of touch with how people live in many of the other places in the world. Last October I visited Pakistan and what I saw there really made me think about the scale of globally inequality that’s just allowed to “exist”. Not just in food, but so many other places in our lives we take for granted.

Just because you live in a more developed country, it doesn't make you responsible for well-being of people from less developed ones. We're adults who are capable of making our own decision decisions and being responsible for the consequences, and this modern leftist rebranding of white man's burden is a bit insulting, to be honest.

Then why is the white man in Iraq, Afghanistan ( bordering just Pakistan ), Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria - and those are just boots on the ground.

Even the "living space" that is North America, Australia didn't belong to the White Man.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by jamil7 »

sysbin wrote: post #40
kortilla wrote: post #21

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How is your value system not as arbitrary (plants ok to kill, but not animals)? Is it just because it’s impossible to survive without consuming other life given our current technology? In 1000 years perhaps humans will look at our treatment of all life as barbaric because they will be directly powered by the energy of the sun.

I'm surprised your comment is being downvoted. There was an article shared on HN last year and suggesting plants are more aware than what we typically give credit to them. I also don't think its completely out there to assume humanity won't be modifying how the human body consumes energy.

It's being downvoted because it doesn't really make sense. Plants lack a central nervous system, so vegans tend to draw the line somewhere there. Regardless if we did find out that plants somehow where conscious and could feel pain we need to feed animals a huge amount of plant matter in order for us to eat them. If vegans are trying to minimise harm done then it'd still make sense to eat them directly than eat animals given there is no alternative.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by triyambakam »

koolhead17 wrote: post #50
triyambakam wrote: post #39

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My family and I are on day number 1153 of eating beans every day (and no animal products)

And how was the experince? Some blog, could learn from it?

Thanks for asking! but unfortunately I haven't written anything up about it, but informally I can share that it's really benefited our health and even finances. Eating beans and rice every day and not eating out is very cheap. I buy most of our food in bulk online or from local farms - e.g. just got 50kg of chickpeas in the mail and 20kg of string beans from a farm. We also avoid eating oil for health reasons

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by palae »

Taking a critical look at one's own meat consumption can be enlightening, because it is something that we often take for granted. Do I eat meat because it is necessary for my health? If not, what are the reasons? How is the meat that I'm eating produced? How long do these animals live compared to their natural life span? What is the environmental cost of animal farming? Etc., Etc.

I did not find convincing answers to these questions, so I stopped buying and eating meat.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by naruvimama »

It is our collective karma, to outsource cruelty to industrial animal farming.

Even though I have become mostly vegetarian, it is quite tempting to buy meat for the convenience and the fact that sometimes it is much cheaper than fresh vegetables (at least in the west).

Human progress and social evolution has somehow come with greater compassion for fellow beings. Will our coming generations value compassion in itself and will that affect the way we eat/farm.

Will an advanced alien visitor be shocked by our animal farming or will will they hunt us down for meat. I guess we should expect either based on our own behaviour.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by zhte415 »

I'd say set them free.

But given the breeding of commercial chickens they'd simply not survive in the wild - not stop growing and after just days be unable to move, and easy prey.

If you're fortunate enough to have land, use it, even a balcony or window sill can be put to good use. There are plenty of guides on YouTube, and for a window sill no need to spend money on herbs again. For food or for leisure (or both) - if you like flowers grow some flowers!

And don't throw away potato skins, carrot tops, strings of beans, etc. Compost them, it really enriches the soil.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by sfj »

infruset wrote: post #30
sytelus wrote: post #13

I don't remember who but someone (Naval?) had this quote that generations 100 years from now will think of us as utterly barbaric for eating animals. When I look around how we treat animals as if they were just sacs of meat, its amazingly heart wrenching. In Alaska I saw a casual 4th of July competitions where you throw dead fish and other person catches it. Sometime fish fall apart and all its guts spread out during…

Claude Lévi-Strauss said[0]: "A day will come when the idea that for the sake of food the people of the past raised and massacred living beings and with complete equanimity displayed their flesh in bits and pieces in shop windows, will no doubt inspire the same revulsion that the cannibalistic meals of the Americans, Oceanians, or Africans inspired in the travelers of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries." [0]: h…

> raised and massacred living beings

Plants are also living beings...

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