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Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by kortilla »

sytelus wrote: post #13

I don't remember who but someone (Naval?) had this quote that generations 100 years from now will think of us as utterly barbaric for eating animals. When I look around how we treat animals as if they were just sacs of meat, its amazingly heart wrenching. In Alaska I saw a casual 4th of July competitions where you throw dead fish and other person catches it. Sometime fish fall apart and all its guts spread out during…

How is your value system not as arbitrary (plants ok to kill, but not animals)? Is it just because it’s impossible to survive without consuming other life given our current technology?

In 1000 years perhaps humans will look at our treatment of all life as barbaric because they will be directly powered by the energy of the sun.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by popped »

hkeide wrote: post #19
sytelus wrote: post #13

I don't remember who but someone (Naval?) had this quote that generations 100 years from now will think of us as utterly barbaric for eating animals. When I look around how we treat animals as if they were just sacs of meat, its amazingly heart wrenching. In Alaska I saw a casual 4th of July competitions where you throw dead fish and other person catches it. Sometime fish fall apart and all its guts spread out during…

It's hard to survive in a healthy way for most of the world without eating animals unfortunately. Animals die in nature all the time, in much worse ways than the clean deaths they would get in a meat processing plant. Death is part of the cycle of life, and it seems we are forgetting that since we've become so far separated from nature these days.

That's a big call there buddy.

There is basically no plant based diet that can be made more healthy with the addition of animal products.

If there is let us know. You'll probably get a Nobel prize for the revelation

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by apatters »

cmauniada wrote: post #6
msie wrote: post #5

Just today I saw the news about famine in West Africa. Sigh...

We live in a bubble, I feel so out of touch with how people live in many of the other places in the world. Last October I visited Pakistan and what I saw there really made me think about the scale of globally inequality that’s just allowed to “exist”. Not just in food, but so many other places in our lives we take for granted.

Why do you think these conditions exist in Pakistan? Hint, it mainly has to do with the actions of certain Pakistanis. The rest of us are not "allowing" anything, we are basically powerless and irrelevant aside from maybe our trade policies.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by bad_user »

sytelus wrote: post #13

I don't remember who but someone (Naval?) had this quote that generations 100 years from now will think of us as utterly barbaric for eating animals. When I look around how we treat animals as if they were just sacs of meat, its amazingly heart wrenching. In Alaska I saw a casual 4th of July competitions where you throw dead fish and other person catches it. Sometime fish fall apart and all its guts spread out during…

The idea that humans evolve somehow into better beings is an unjustified religion. You shouldn't let technological progress fool you, we are nearly the same as we were 1 million years ago.

Raising domesticated animals for slaughter is actually pretty humane. Before agriculture and farming, when people moved to an area it led to the extinction of all large animals and they died in agony.

For many of us human life is much more important than the slaughtering of domesticated animals. This isn't about a God.

We evolved feelings, morals, the concept of cruelty in order to care about human life. You can choose to care about whatever you want of course, but careful with your priorities.

And yes, chickens aren't human and are quite tasty.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by axguscbklp »

hkeide wrote: post #19
sytelus wrote: post #13

I don't remember who but someone (Naval?) had this quote that generations 100 years from now will think of us as utterly barbaric for eating animals. When I look around how we treat animals as if they were just sacs of meat, its amazingly heart wrenching. In Alaska I saw a casual 4th of July competitions where you throw dead fish and other person catches it. Sometime fish fall apart and all its guts spread out during…

It's hard to survive in a healthy way for most of the world without eating animals unfortunately. Animals die in nature all the time, in much worse ways than the clean deaths they would get in a meat processing plant. Death is part of the cycle of life, and it seems we are forgetting that since we've become so far separated from nature these days.

>Animals die in nature all the time, in much worse ways than the clean deaths they would get in a meat processing plant.

Animals who live in nature might also live more fulfilling lives before they die than animals that live in the average meat processing plant.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by 317070 »

dmitriid wrote: post #16
sytelus wrote: post #13

I don't remember who but someone (Naval?) had this quote that generations 100 years from now will think of us as utterly barbaric for eating animals. When I look around how we treat animals as if they were just sacs of meat, its amazingly heart wrenching. In Alaska I saw a casual 4th of July competitions where you throw dead fish and other person catches it. Sometime fish fall apart and all its guts spread out during…

I hate to break it to you, but in general our treatment of animals is way better than a 100 years ago. Animal shelters? Animal cruelty laws? Etc. That fish throwing contest? Oh, it's almost definitely older than 100 years (as are dog fights, dolphin slaughter, goose pulling, cock throwing and other wonderful traditions from around the world).

That is one side of the scale. The other side of the scale has the meat industry in it (which is absolutely not like 100 years ago). As someone who used to work in a slaughter house, I am not convinced that today is better. I can see our children looking back in a few generations and think of us as barbaric. I thought of it as barbaric and surreal when working there.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by jcheng »

dmitriid wrote: post #16
sytelus wrote: post #13

I don't remember who but someone (Naval?) had this quote that generations 100 years from now will think of us as utterly barbaric for eating animals. When I look around how we treat animals as if they were just sacs of meat, its amazingly heart wrenching. In Alaska I saw a casual 4th of July competitions where you throw dead fish and other person catches it. Sometime fish fall apart and all its guts spread out during…

I hate to break it to you, but in general our treatment of animals is way better than a 100 years ago. Animal shelters? Animal cruelty laws? Etc. That fish throwing contest? Oh, it's almost definitely older than 100 years (as are dog fights, dolphin slaughter, goose pulling, cock throwing and other wonderful traditions from around the world).

Ugh, I made the mistake of looking up “goose pulling”. WHY.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by superpermutat0r »

I think chickens are ground up with their feathers and ugly bits by falling from a treadmill.

I guess one can't sell that as food but I'm pretty sure they can do something with it.

Although, it's fine by me, meat is in its nature pretty wasteful, in addition to those 2M chickens there's probably more tons of soy protein wasted on chicken feed.

Good thing that protein rich legumes do not need much processing.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by infruset »

sytelus wrote: post #13

I don't remember who but someone (Naval?) had this quote that generations 100 years from now will think of us as utterly barbaric for eating animals. When I look around how we treat animals as if they were just sacs of meat, its amazingly heart wrenching. In Alaska I saw a casual 4th of July competitions where you throw dead fish and other person catches it. Sometime fish fall apart and all its guts spread out during…

Claude Lévi-Strauss said[0]:

"A day will come when the idea that for the sake of food the people of the past raised and massacred living beings and with complete equanimity displayed their flesh in bits and pieces in shop windows, will no doubt inspire the same revulsion that the cannibalistic meals of the Americans, Oceanians, or Africans inspired in the travelers of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries."

[0]: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Claude_L%C3%A9vi-Strauss

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