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How much power can we expect from rainfall?

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Re: How much power can we expect from rainfall?

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I'm having trouble understanding what the article's title actually means right now. Can HN parse this down for me, please: > Can the teardrops that fall after reading bad science writing generate renewable electricity? Yes, they can.

A text is written on a scientific topic and it is so poorly written that when people read it, they cry. Can we harvest the kinetic energy in those falling teardrops and turn it into electricity? Yes.

(But it is not very much energy.)

Re: How much power can we expect from rainfall?

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post #4

I looked at this area a few decades ago and two approaches stood out as potential, though not stand out. 1) Roofs already collect a large surface area and funnel into a single point via roof guttering - so tapping the flow from the gutter run off would enable a viable volume of water turn a motor in the drain pipe as it descended and generate power. 2) Piezo electric generating from the roof, though was looking at a…

>Roofs already collect a large surface area and funnel into a single point via roof guttering - so tapping the flow from the gutter run off would enable a viable volume of water turn a motor in the drain pipe as it descended and generate power. the purpose of a gutter is to direct the water to areas where it can seep into the ground without damaging the house (while carrying away leaves and other things that would ro…

Couldn't you just make the drainpipe longer to ensure the water is carried far enough from the house?

Re: How much power can we expect from rainfall?

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post #4

I looked at this area a few decades ago and two approaches stood out as potential, though not stand out. 1) Roofs already collect a large surface area and funnel into a single point via roof guttering - so tapping the flow from the gutter run off would enable a viable volume of water turn a motor in the drain pipe as it descended and generate power. 2) Piezo electric generating from the roof, though was looking at a…

You could build this grand gutter power generator and have power that costs 100x more $/kWh than your grid hookup.

Re: How much power can we expect from rainfall?

#34
post #26

There is an interesting series of videos on Youtube about harvesting energy from gutter flow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6oNxckjEiE

I've been watching this and I'm quite impressed at the lengths he has gone through to make this work. Designing and creating a custom alternator is definitely one of the more impressive things I've seen in engineering videos on YouTube.

Re: How much power can we expect from rainfall?

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post #4

I looked at this area a few decades ago and two approaches stood out as potential, though not stand out. 1) Roofs already collect a large surface area and funnel into a single point via roof guttering - so tapping the flow from the gutter run off would enable a viable volume of water turn a motor in the drain pipe as it descended and generate power. 2) Piezo electric generating from the roof, though was looking at a…

>Roofs already collect a large surface area and funnel into a single point via roof guttering - so tapping the flow from the gutter run off would enable a viable volume of water turn a motor in the drain pipe as it descended and generate power. the purpose of a gutter is to direct the water to areas where it can seep into the ground without damaging the house (while carrying away leaves and other things that would ro…

You put a big tank with an overflow outlet. No impediment to downflow, smooth bursts and etc

Re: How much power can we expect from rainfall?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A roof is about 200 m^2 (more or less), so at 10 mw/m^2, you could generate a whopping 2 watts. While it's raining. California gets 563 millimeters of rain a year, so you might end up generating an entire 100 watts. For the year.

A watt is a unit of power, not energy —- it represents the rate at which energy is produced (joules per second), not the total amount of energy produced. I’m not sure how you came up with the number 100, but the units for that number should be energy (such as joules or watt-hours).

Meant to type watt-hours for that last sentence. Thanks for catching it.

Re: How much power can we expect from rainfall?

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post #4

I looked at this area a few decades ago and two approaches stood out as potential, though not stand out. 1) Roofs already collect a large surface area and funnel into a single point via roof guttering - so tapping the flow from the gutter run off would enable a viable volume of water turn a motor in the drain pipe as it descended and generate power. 2) Piezo electric generating from the roof, though was looking at a…

Has anyone seen piezoelectric shoes that have wires running up your pant legs to charge stuff? Could be good for the outdoors and off the grid lifestyle. Probably charges way faster than solar.

Re: How much power can we expect from rainfall?

#38
post #18

I absolutely love the gist of the article: interpreting quantitative research is something most of us are fundamentally illiterate on. That's definitely how I feel about it at least. Others might feel differently. That said, how does one actual build skills in this area. It feels like the author is able to do this here because it's a research paper in an area they have knowledge in. How does one build up a general ab…

Fermi questions[0] (oft maligned when asked in interviews) are a good practice for this sort of thinking.

Anything that is either out of range on scale, or that ducks the question, is worthy of further evaluation and at least some mild skepticism. Theranos promising hundreds of blood tests out of a thimble of blood would be the former. The article referring to Volts of electricity is like a car salesman replying to 'how many seats does it have?' with 'The seats are upholstered in Fine Corinthian Leather' the statement isn't incorrect, it is just useless and, in context, intentionally misleading. Salesmen do it to sell cars, scientists to sell research, journalists to sell papers, and conspiracy theorists for, whatever reasons, I guess.

[0] A few examples: How many piano tuners are in New York City? How many ping pong balls could fit in a school bus?

Re: How much power can we expect from rainfall?

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post #4

I looked at this area a few decades ago and two approaches stood out as potential, though not stand out. 1) Roofs already collect a large surface area and funnel into a single point via roof guttering - so tapping the flow from the gutter run off would enable a viable volume of water turn a motor in the drain pipe as it descended and generate power. 2) Piezo electric generating from the roof, though was looking at a…

The efficiency of wind turbines and their area for capturing wind goes up with size, so a single large one is better than lots of small ones. Which is why domestic ones have not become popular except off grid.

Re: How much power can we expect from rainfall?

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post #22
post #16

I'm surprised that tidal energy is not yet a big player. The amount of potential energy is massive, and it's very reliable, unless the moon falls of its orbit.

I have a friend who was very interested in investing in this space, and did some research. TLDR, even though the tech is probably mature enough, the economics just aren’t there for private industry yet. It’s require major state-level funding to get it off the ground at this point, IMO. Very similar to how solar used to be. First, tidal turbines are very specialized pieces of hardware (compared to wind turbines), that…

This is a fantastic summary! In the United States, I believe that the Pacific Northwest and parts of the Maine coastline were also considered, but for many of the reasons above, I don't think any of those projects really achieved critical mass for wider adoption.

I'm not bullish on the future of tidal power--there may be some use case for it, but the reality of the engineering challenges associated with putting hardware in a marine tidal zone for years at a time presents serious obstacles with limited advantages over versus a wind turbine or solar array of the same capacity.

I'm curious, do you know if your friend ended up investing?

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