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Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

#101

Post by cgpcraig »

thbr99 wrote: post #73
ckdarby wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> first step It starts with this and then could become if you're not apart of the list you're going to have "more problems". What other province is doing this? In my opinion this makes it more complicated already. It always starts with a first step, Bill 101 exists to protect the French culture. Now people actively use it as an exploit against companies. I've known people who use Bill 101 to have documents provided i…

I got the Covid-19 care guide in my mail box by the Québec government in French only because of Bill 101. Language politics trumps even in case of emergency communications in Québec.

It's nice that Legault is doing his conferences in French and English though.

Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

#102

Post by cgpcraig »

thbr99 wrote: post #70
amiga_500 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in quebec. My kids go to a nice school. I live in a nice neighborhood. I get the nice metro to work. Or I cycle on the nice cycle network. I got my covid test, and result. I saw a really good doctor the same day. The same doctor rang me back 2 days later to check up on me at home. My kids would normally be in and out of a fantastic, modern library, or at the pool, or playing soccer in the great parks. Sadly th…

I totally have the opposite experience in Québec. Everywhere and anything in Québec feels red taped and low of customer service. Maybe I have to speak French. Speaking in English and being non white gets a degraded service in Québec.

Depends where you are in Quebec though, downtown Montreal, TMR, West Island, gay village, plateau probably fine. East end, you're going to have some troubles there bisdy

Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

#103

Post by generatorguy »

aurizon wrote: post #54

Quebec corruption in almost all organized labour adds a layer of cost to all Quebeckers. Then the high taxes and enourmously overpaid civil serpents adds another. Where does the $$ come from to cover this? There are two major revenue sourcesL; One is the Canadian federal revenue sharing with Quebec, called Equalization ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equalization_payments_in_Canad... ). All Canadians subsidize Quebec…

Quebec has profited 28 billion dollars from Churchill falls between 1971 and 2016. They built the dam for 1 billion dollars, taking on all the risk.

Quebec has great talent in electrical engineering and building hydro electric power plants. Quebec companies bring their expertise and develop hydro power plants across Canada and around the world for customers who don’t know how to do it themselves, sometimes in exchange for part ownership of the project.

The power transmission had to go through quebec, any other option was uneconomic as they are now finding out with the muskrat falls.

$45/MWH for renewable dispatchable power is cheap. $3/MWH is pratically free but Quebec also has financing costs for the project on top of that to pay. Plus the risk.

I don’t think Newfoundland got taken advantage of here, this is a deal that works out well for both sides. Nobody makes a deal they don’t like - if they had a better option they would have done that.

Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

#104

Post by CountSessine »

Hokusai wrote: post #82
schnischna wrote: post #77

I don't understand that kind of thing: the government is presumably elected by the people. Why would the people want the government to fight a business that they could voluntarily avoid, without any government intervention whatsoever? I mean the government represents what the people want. The people apparently want to buy at local businesses, rather than at Amazon. Why don't they simply do it? Or if they actually DO…

> Why would the people want the government to fight a business that they could voluntarily avoid, without any government intervention whatsoever? In my case, I am willing to pay more to the local shop if everybody is doing it. If Im the only one, the benefit is lost but I personally pay the cost. You can see it as a community agreement. When I travel with friends we agree to pay each one a lunch, it is way faster tha…

You can see it as a community agreement. When I travel with friends we agree to pay each one a lunch, it is way faster than to pay individually. But, I agree to do it because all of us agree. If Im the only one, the it is problematic.

Except that you and your friends agreed to do this voluntarily. I want to shop at Amazon and I don't want to pay for a government alternative that's a sop to obstreperous and uncompetitive local retailers. I'm buying your lunch twice.

Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

#105

Post by Hokusai »

CountSessine wrote: post #104
Hokusai wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why would the people want the government to fight a business that they could voluntarily avoid, without any government intervention whatsoever? In my case, I am willing to pay more to the local shop if everybody is doing it. If Im the only one, the benefit is lost but I personally pay the cost. You can see it as a community agreement. When I travel with friends we agree to pay each one a lunch, it is way faster tha…

You can see it as a community agreement. When I travel with friends we agree to pay each one a lunch, it is way faster than to pay individually. But, I agree to do it because all of us agree. If Im the only one, the it is problematic. Except that you and your friends agreed to do this voluntarily. I want to shop at Amazon and I don't want to pay for a government alternative that's a sop to obstreperous and uncompetit…

> I want to shop at Amazon and I don't want to pay for a government alternative

And I want abortion to not be restricted, and that other person wants to discriminate by age, and that other one wants to throw the trash to the street or I want let my factory dump dangerous chemicals into a river.

Democracy is NOT perfect. But, it is a great solution. Even if sometimes you need to follow a law that you do not fully agree with. And, if it does not work you are free to express your side of the story, go to the justice system if the laws are unconstitutional, and also vote differently next time. That's a very good system.

Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

#106

Post by amiga_500 »

thbr99 wrote: post #70
amiga_500 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in quebec. My kids go to a nice school. I live in a nice neighborhood. I get the nice metro to work. Or I cycle on the nice cycle network. I got my covid test, and result. I saw a really good doctor the same day. The same doctor rang me back 2 days later to check up on me at home. My kids would normally be in and out of a fantastic, modern library, or at the pool, or playing soccer in the great parks. Sadly th…

I totally have the opposite experience in Québec. Everywhere and anything in Québec feels red taped and low of customer service. Maybe I have to speak French. Speaking in English and being non white gets a degraded service in Québec.

"good service" is a bad sign for society. Americans have "good service" because low income workers are one insane customer away from their lives tipping over the edge.

Americans also complain about service in Europe, where workers are also not treating each customer interaction as a make or break situation.

Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

#107

Post by aurizon »

generatorguy wrote: post #103
aurizon wrote: post #54

Quebec corruption in almost all organized labour adds a layer of cost to all Quebeckers. Then the high taxes and enourmously overpaid civil serpents adds another. Where does the $$ come from to cover this? There are two major revenue sourcesL; One is the Canadian federal revenue sharing with Quebec, called Equalization ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equalization_payments_in_Canad... ). All Canadians subsidize Quebec…

Quebec has profited 28 billion dollars from Churchill falls between 1971 and 2016. They built the dam for 1 billion dollars, taking on all the risk. Quebec has great talent in electrical engineering and building hydro electric power plants. Quebec companies bring their expertise and develop hydro power plants across Canada and around the world for customers who don’t know how to do it themselves, sometimes in exchang…

if they liked it, they will sign a new and similar one. I think not, UHV DC after 2041

Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

#108

Post by CountSessine »

Hokusai wrote: post #105
CountSessine wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can see it as a community agreement. When I travel with friends we agree to pay each one a lunch, it is way faster than to pay individually. But, I agree to do it because all of us agree. If Im the only one, the it is problematic. Except that you and your friends agreed to do this voluntarily. I want to shop at Amazon and I don't want to pay for a government alternative that's a sop to obstreperous and uncompetit…

> I want to shop at Amazon and I don't want to pay for a government alternative And I want abortion to not be restricted, and that other person wants to discriminate by age, and that other one wants to throw the trash to the street or I want let my factory dump dangerous chemicals into a river. Democracy is NOT perfect. But, it is a great solution. Even if sometimes you need to follow a law that you do not fully agre…

No - democracy and social responsibility aren’t perfect and I’m fine with that. But don’t dress up coercion and force as “community agreement” and compare it to a bunch of friends who’ve agreed to voluntarily pay for each other’s lunches.

I haven’t agreed to anything and you’re forcing me to pay for this. You’ve got my money. But you don’t get to delude yourself that you have my willing cooperation.

Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

#109

Post by generatorguy »

aurizon wrote: post #107
generatorguy wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quebec has profited 28 billion dollars from Churchill falls between 1971 and 2016. They built the dam for 1 billion dollars, taking on all the risk. Quebec has great talent in electrical engineering and building hydro electric power plants. Quebec companies bring their expertise and develop hydro power plants across Canada and around the world for customers who don’t know how to do it themselves, sometimes in exchang…

if they liked it, they will sign a new and similar one. I think not, UHV DC after 2041

It is not the same situation in 2041 as it was in 1969, so of course they will not sign the same deal. They liked it at the time because it was their best option. Now: 1. the plant is built and paid for! there are no constructions costs and no construction risk. 2. energy is more expensive now, particularly renewable dispatchable generation

They clearly have a different hand to play now than they did in 1969.

Quebec owns 33% of the plant so they will be happy if NFL sells the power to the states at higher than the marginal cost of generation in QC.

Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

#110

Post by schnischna »

Hokusai wrote: post #82
schnischna wrote: post #77

I don't understand that kind of thing: the government is presumably elected by the people. Why would the people want the government to fight a business that they could voluntarily avoid, without any government intervention whatsoever? I mean the government represents what the people want. The people apparently want to buy at local businesses, rather than at Amazon. Why don't they simply do it? Or if they actually DO…

> Why would the people want the government to fight a business that they could voluntarily avoid, without any government intervention whatsoever? In my case, I am willing to pay more to the local shop if everybody is doing it. If Im the only one, the benefit is lost but I personally pay the cost. You can see it as a community agreement. When I travel with friends we agree to pay each one a lunch, it is way faster tha…

"In my case, I am willing to pay more to the local shop if everybody is doing it. If Im the only one, the benefit is lost but I personally pay the cost."

But a significant number of people should be wanting to do it - after all, the elected government wants it. So at least 30% of the people or so should want it, the ones who elected the government.

30% of people should be enough to keep some local shops afloat?

Also, I don't get the analogy of sharing travel costs. Shopping locally doesn't get cheaper if more people do it. Unless you build a huge mall, if that is what you want.

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