Was there PTSD in the ancient or medieval world?
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#2The technology, tools and languages available to humans has expanded a huge amount over recent centuries.
The question, I guess, is whether the psychological consequences of experiencing and processing reality (and, particularly, trauma) has changed as a result.
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#3(1) More families lost children. This lessened the trauma because a family could talk to other nearby families who had experienced the same thing. Those families would also be able to give advice. In contrast, losing a child is extremely rare (in developed countries) today. This rarity breeds isolation, which makes everything worse.
(2) There were established societal and religious ways to deal specifically with the death of a child. Think prescribed ceremonies that grant a form of closure and which pretty much all of your friends and neighbors subscribe to. Nothing like this exists today.
To me, this is very similar to the suggested explanation in the featured article for why war used to cause less PTSD: there was less stigma around war, a much larger chunk of society fought in wars, and there were universal and well-defined rituals for processing the experience.
The whole thing raises interesting questions about our modern understanding of trauma. I think the most common modern statement on grief is that it's intensely personal and people should never feel that their grieving process is "wrong", at least not for a long time (years?) after the event. That at least seems different than past practice.
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#4A potential counterpoint - "Post-traumatic stress 'evident in 1300BC'"[1]. The technology, tools and languages available to humans has expanded a huge amount over recent centuries. The question, I guess, is whether the psychological consequences of experiencing and processing reality (and, particularly, trauma) has changed as a result. [1] - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30957719
(It's also funny that the BBC article mentions the strong Herodotus PTSD example that the featured article treats as a repeatedly-rehashed outlier.)
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#5I wonder if the specific tools of war are a factor as well — the suddenness of explosions and bullets might provide a significantly more traumatic experience than spear sword and trebuchet, the pace of humvees and airplanes more shock than feet and horses.
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#6[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/wiki/faq/militaryhist...
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#7Edit: one thing covered in the video, but not mentioned in the article is the different experience of what war means in modern times. From WW1 (actually, a bit earlier), modern high explosives mean that soldiers spend days, weeks, even months under high stress and constant threat of death. Ancient soldiers tended to participate in violent, but relatively short battles (a day or two at most). The vast majority of the time, they were not under the same levels of stress.
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#8Really interesting, tho I wish he cited or talked to some psychologists as well! I wonder if the specific tools of war are a factor as well — the suddenness of explosions and bullets might provide a significantly more traumatic experience than spear sword and trebuchet, the pace of humvees and airplanes more shock than feet and horses.
And medieval combat was quite a gruesome affair, cleaving people into peaces with axes and swords, in an age without proper medical care...
What has changed though, is the staying power of armies which nowadays can stay in contact for long times with somewhat low intensity fighting going on all the time. This of course changes the whole psychology aspect, its not the stress of one battle going on for a day or so, but the stress of a battle going on for weeks.
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#9On a related note, a while ago I read a little about how ancient families coped with the deaths of their children. My takeaway, pretty much cribbed from this article [1], was that such deaths produced less trauma than they would today because: (1) More families lost children. This lessened the trauma because a family could talk to other nearby families who had experienced the same thing. Those families would also be…
If a child under 2 dies, you'll often see reuse of that name for the next child. There were cultural standards, particularly in Europe, around naming children after paternal and maternal grandparents and so forth (such that often you can tell what number a child was by their name if you know the relative's names).
Think about that for a second. Let's say you had a child who died at 6 months old. 1-2 years down the track you had another child and you'd use the same name.
We have totally different expectations of mortality than a century ago. A child born today in the developed world is incredibly likely to make it to adulthood. It's simply not conceivable than in an era of greater infant mortality that there weren't different attitudes to the death of a child.
Re: Was there PTSD in the ancient or medieval world?
#10On a related note, a while ago I read a little about how ancient families coped with the deaths of their children. My takeaway, pretty much cribbed from this article [1], was that such deaths produced less trauma than they would today because: (1) More families lost children. This lessened the trauma because a family could talk to other nearby families who had experienced the same thing. Those families would also be…