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A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

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Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

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The main issue with this approach is that it fails to address my biggest grip with local online shopping: delivery speed.

Amazon offers 48h delivery for most products even with COVID. On the other hand, I ordered stuff from a shop based in Montreal and it took 5 days to arrive. Even though it was physically much closer to me.

We can argue on the "necessity" of 2-day shipping, but it is still a massive differentiator.

Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

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It's good to see that finally people are doing something about the utter dominance that Amazon has managed to achieve. While I do get the benefits of online delivery to customers (especially in the current pandemic situation or for people too old or impaired to walk/drive), the situation is much more dire for their communities across the world: 1) Many towns rely on some sort of commercial tax on local companies to f…

Now compare the cost of what you mentioned in monetary terms to the cost savings for consumers (which is essentially everyone) - which is larger?

The short term benefit for the individual should always be regarded as more important than the medium term benefit for the community, which is essentially no one.

Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

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It's good to see that finally people are doing something about the utter dominance that Amazon has managed to achieve. While I do get the benefits of online delivery to customers (especially in the current pandemic situation or for people too old or impaired to walk/drive), the situation is much more dire for their communities across the world: 1) Many towns rely on some sort of commercial tax on local companies to f…

Now compare the cost of what you mentioned in monetary terms to the cost savings for consumers (which is essentially everyone) - which is larger?

Would you prefer local business employed and pay more for everything, or pay less for everything and have unemployed unhappy people around?

Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

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This seems kind of doomed to fail. Amazon is appealing because it provides a good customer experience: good prices, fast shipping, wide variety of products, responsive customer service, etc. More local businesses fail to compete because they mostly offer the same things with worse prices and experience. It's one thing to appeal to people's sense of civic responsibility for the environment, another thing entirely for…

As you mention, shopping on Amazon has become pretty horrible. I often shop local (faster, more convenient), but discoverability is a big problem, and I hate having to phone to enquire about their open hours, because their Google listing is never up to date.

Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

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post #21

The main issue with this approach is that it fails to address my biggest grip with local online shopping: delivery speed. Amazon offers 48h delivery for most products even with COVID. On the other hand, I ordered stuff from a shop based in Montreal and it took 5 days to arrive. Even though it was physically much closer to me. We can argue on the "necessity" of 2-day shipping, but it is still a massive differentiator.

Honestly, so far the quickest delivery I've experienced was from local businesses. Some local stores switched too what is almost pizza delivery. I ordered gear at lunchtime and got it delivered in the afternoon. But it really depends on the supplier. 48h delivery has been hit and miss too recently.

Now what the article doesn't say is that a lot of the businesses on "Le Panier Bleu" do not even have an online catalog and you need to call them. In these cases, it's pretty much the yellow pages with a different color.

Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

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Damn it! I live in Quebec, this province makes everything extremely complicated and then wonders why most companies don't want to deal with them and most people leave. Went to buy insurance, couldn't because ToS lists countries couldn't do business with includes, Sadi, Iran, Iraq and Quebec. Most Canadian's know to live in this province only if you can maximize the gains from it. Buying a first time house, starting a…

> Went to buy insurance, couldn't because ToS lists countries couldn't do business with includes, Sadi, Iran, Iraq and Quebec.

What company is this out of curiosity? To think they see nations entrenched by Wahhabism, or Shariah Law to be on equal footing with Quebec when assessing their threat analysis', it seems like quite a leap in risk management strategies.

I'm told Quebec is a lovely place, to visit... mainly for the reasons you described. And the only working relationships I've had with people from there were 50/50 on relative polar positions: as in one of the most short sighted, lazy entitled person to deal with, to a pretty good worker who showed motivation to want to be part of a team and be a part of something that mattered and willing to adapt to their given situation/role.

Oddly enough, they were a couple.

Also worth noting the post that Amazon's DC in France look to be mothballed, too:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/amazon-is-at-a-standsti...

Their Québécois may sound odd when compared to the Old World, but it seems they're just as 'French' in practice. Maybe we'll see Yellow Vests to a street near you.

Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now compare the cost of what you mentioned in monetary terms to the cost savings for consumers (which is essentially everyone) - which is larger?

Would you prefer local business employed and pay more for everything, or pay less for everything and have unemployed unhappy people around?

Honestly answer this, would an average person with more money in their account spend it or leave it there?

Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

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This seems kind of doomed to fail. Amazon is appealing because it provides a good customer experience: good prices, fast shipping, wide variety of products, responsive customer service, etc. More local businesses fail to compete because they mostly offer the same things with worse prices and experience. It's one thing to appeal to people's sense of civic responsibility for the environment, another thing entirely for…

>>> it provides a good customer experience: good prices

Amazon had not offered better prices than the main brick-and-mortar shops for a long long time. Try comparing the items you see in shops with the same on Amazon and be Amazed.

The best are small household items. Sellers buy from Ikea and resell on Amazon. Sometimes customers find out and they post reviews you can imagine, "OMG this is the £4 cutlery pack from Ikea. Go to Ikea don't buy here."

Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not clear to me how creating a directory of local online businesses in any way makes anything "extremely complicated"

> first step It starts with this and then could become if you're not apart of the list you're going to have "more problems". What other province is doing this? In my opinion this makes it more complicated already. It always starts with a first step, Bill 101 exists to protect the French culture. Now people actively use it as an exploit against companies. I've known people who use Bill 101 to have documents provided i…

Most of the issues and why a lot of things are not offered in Quebec is rarely because of bill 101 or language in general. It is not difficult to get something translated and offer it in a binlingual version. Heck, countries with much smaller populations get a localized version of international products.

Usually, at least when i was in insurance, it is because of legal and regulatory reason. While the law systems in Canada is based on the common law, the law system in Quebec is based on the french civil code. This had repercussions on the way a lot of regulation is thought about. So when it was time to get our products ready for Canada, we had to do a few special cases for Quebec. My guess is that a lot of suppliers just overlook it or do not want to perform the appropriate checks and adaptations because they are not organized in a way to handle this distinction inside a country.

Re: A fight against Amazon becomes a state matter in Quebec

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok then I misread what you were trying to say. I wish Bill 101 wasn't abused (like the Italian restaurant scandal thing). Sadly, as with most laws, people will always find a way to twist it...

It really is not the bad, most of the time when there is actual abuse there is a social outrage and they back off. Bill 101 was created to protect the only French-speaking group in America. It's by definition a lesser evil to protect French from declining and it is visibly not enough since the percentage of French speaker across the province is going down.

There are quite a few other French-speaking places in America and most of them are (or see themselves) under no cultural threat.

Bill 101 was only created by the Quebecers for themselves, not by some entity above them in order to protect them.

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