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Did you see the NYC antibody sample that showed that approximately 21 percent of citizens had antibodies? It seems like a nursing home is a pretty bad representation of a population.
Am I the only one who is still confused by what they're finding in these antibody tests? Are they looking for antibodies that attach to specific features unique to SARS-CoV-2? Because I'm pretty sure even HCoV-NL63 enter lung cells through ACE2 as well. How can they tell antibodies for these viruses apart? Also aren't antibodies effectively developed in a sort of random process?
In 4 US state prisons, 3,300 inmates test positive, 96% without symptoms
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#182Every article I see about people testing asymptomatic is followed by comments insisting they were asymptomatic when tested , with no idea of whether they stayed asymptomatic or whether virtually all of them had symptoms a few days later, thus basically invalid. But this doesn't seem like a hard problem to solve, folks . Is nobody bothering to follow up with the asymptomatic people a week later? Just take their mobile…
We need good data, badly, and we have an entire world as our Petree dish and yet can't seem to get it.
You'd think the CDC would be sending out questionnaires, forms, coordinating such tests, giving guidelines, collating results etc..
Literally the worst economic shock maybe ever and we can't count marbles to save ourselves.
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I think the hope is that we could be closer to herd immunity than we think.
Any herd immunity scenario is conditionnal on immunity is long-lasting, which is far from certain considering related viruses are recurring seasonally or in single-digit year intervals. Don't bet the farm on it.
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I did similar calculations, and found the institutions in charge give us very unreliable data. The term "corona case" is very, very, ambiguous and cannot the understood as such without a detailed explanation on how the counting was done. Thanks for sharing. I found the peek in all-case mortality also very interesting, because that way counting is much more unambiguous: dead is dead. They showed a clear diversion from…
Outliers such as this one are not uncommon in the winter. They are in April. According to that chart there isn't a single point outside of winter months as high as this year.
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Agreed 100%. Here in BC, public health wasn't even saying, "It's not known whether asymptomatic carriers can spread the virus," but actually, "Evidence suggests asymptomatic carriers can not spread the virus." Something that as far as I can tell was never actually true. This was reported in public briefings, was repeated by public health nurses on the call-in lines, and was distributed as the government's official po…
> "Evidence suggests asymptomatic carriers can not spread the virus." I don't understand this. How would that even work? If you're infected, what would stop you from shedding virus like anyone else? Is there a precedent for this, for respiratory viruses?
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#186- - IMHO, this article is intentionally misleading. The incubation period is currently estimated to be 2-14 days (mean is 5.6 days per CDC, similar per WHO). The article doesn’t mention any dates or time frames, but does mention: ”Roughly 60 percent of the over 600 sailors who tested positive so far have not shown symptoms of COVID-19” — note how “so far” is ambiguous in that sentence. It also states, “The Navy’s testing of the entire 4,800-member crew of the aircraft carrier - which is about 94% complete...”, which seems to indicate nowhere near enough time has elapsed to draw any sort of conclusion. This paper [1] found that testing of all pregnancy patients in a hospital yielded 34% asymptomatic cases. That number drops to 8% “shortly after discharge”, and could be lower than 8% (Again, no timeframe is stated). [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S258993332... - -
If you just s/navy/prisons/ and s/[navy figures]/[prison figures] (and forgive my oversimplification of RegEx captures), I think that comment works just as well here.
At the risk of sounding paranoid, does this seem like a campaign of misinformation by omission? Or perhaps I’m being overly critical?
The key issue I take with both articles is that they speculate a lot, but gloss over the fact that no timeframes are provided to determine what percentage could actually be asymptomatic and never develop symptoms vs. simply being pre-symptomatic at the time of testing.
If the article were focused on how quickly this virus can spread in closed quarters, that would be one thing. But this rather lengthy article only has one sentence in the middle that even mentions asymptomatic cases eventually developing symptoms:
“Some people diagnosed as asymptomatic when tested for the coronavirus, however, may go on to develop symptoms later, according to researchers.”
Also, this article mentions testing asymptomatic prisoners (universal testing), but it doesn’t say why these specific prisons where chosen first. Perhaps some had at least one positive test result? If so, wouldn’t the close quarters explain most of the relatively high rates of asymptomatic positives reported, given the (initially) exponential curve of spread over time?
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#187I've read that asymptomatic carriers are though to be less infectious than those with symptoms because of the lower concentration of virus in the saliva. Also, many virologists mentioned in recent texts that the initial concentration of the virus you receive can affect how sick you'll get - the more viruses you're exposed to, the faster they can invade the body and the more severe it will get. Can those two facts be…
I have been wondering about the effect of the degree of initial infection. I kind of assume the virus grows exponentially inside the body and would dwarf the initial constant. If a low initial dose affects the severity of the disease, I think that would be incredibly useful to know. I also wish there was info on percentage of infection via fomites vs inhalation.
The virus will grow exponentially, but so will the immune response, so starting conditions are important.
This is a basis for the old pre vaccine "variolation" strategy of getting immunity. Some radical thinkers argue for it as a Covid remedy.
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
I did similar calculations, and found the institutions in charge give us very unreliable data. The term "corona case" is very, very, ambiguous and cannot the understood as such without a detailed explanation on how the counting was done. Thanks for sharing. I found the peek in all-case mortality also very interesting, because that way counting is much more unambiguous: dead is dead. They showed a clear diversion from…
> because that way counting is much more unambiguous: dead is dead Unrealistically low death stats coming from Turkey compared to cases easily refute that argument. Dead is dead, unless the state finds a way to claim that it was not a COVID19 dead.
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#189No, they will develop symptoms. Test again in two weeks.
I'm in a high risk category with an incurable respiratory condition. I'm convinced I've already had it and I'm mostly recovered now. I was mostly asymptomatic. The biggest thing going on was that I was very tired, which was also something easily explained by other things going on, so I was basically already on the mend before I concluded I must have had it. I believe we are barking up the wrong tree. We are looking f…
Re: In 4 US state prisons, 3,300 inmates test positive, 96% without symptoms
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
I did similar calculations, and found the institutions in charge give us very unreliable data. The term "corona case" is very, very, ambiguous and cannot the understood as such without a detailed explanation on how the counting was done. Thanks for sharing. I found the peek in all-case mortality also very interesting, because that way counting is much more unambiguous: dead is dead. They showed a clear diversion from…
Is this for the US? Do you have a link for the source?