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Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Somewhat unrelated but do we still need Docker Desktop for Mac to run Docker containers on macOS? Why is that, is it because Linux is needed? Couldn't Docker run containers natively using just macOS?

I don't have a clear image of how Docker behaves on Mac, but I had wasted a whole day trying to make it work on Windows WSL. I'd suggest you virtualize a normal Linux host on your machine (under VMware for example) and run Docker there.

I'm almost certain you already read this guide [1], so I ask: where did it fail you? It definitely wasn't straightforward, but I managed to get it working fine in a couple of hours (Windows 10 1903, WSL 1, Ubuntu 16.04).

[1] https://nickjanetakis.com/blog/setting-up-docker-for-windows...

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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...I mean no offence with this, but I believe it's rather easy to look up the status of a literally official Apple product/project like Boot Camp? https://support.apple.com/boot-camp

That gets you Windows and OSX, but it's really easy to break the Windows partition when you install Linux. To triple-boot, you start with OSX, then install Windows via Boot Camp, then resize the Windows partition to make some empty space after it for your Linux install. Then you install refind, and follow up with installing Linux. You need to do it that way because Boot Camp won't let you leave any empty space on the…

It's 2020 and they're still doing that chickenshit hybrid MBR crap that violates their own goddamn Tech Note? https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/technotes/tn2166...

A hybrid MBR by definition is not GPT compliant. And failure to comply does in fact routinely result in the loss of user data. It was always appalling incompetency by Apple that Boot Camp ever used hybrid MBR for even one day. To still be doing this in 2020 I consider bordering on malicious.

There's no legitimate technical reason for this.

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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I've been trying since the Pentium III to use Linux on a laptop and have finally given up completely. I've tried on a variety of hardware, even with official support. Driver problems and battery life have always been an issue. But... are we talking about the same XPS laptop? My wife's 13" XPS purchased ~2016 has had horrible reliability. The charging port died a long time ago, fortunately, it charges over USB-C. But…

For what it's worth, I've been running Linux on Lenovo laptops for years and years, and lately it has been fine. No weird tweaks, no special kernel builds. It just works.

Any page you can point to. Have an old T I want to try this.

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Here's some anecdata: I have a 2011 MBA whose battery still lasts an hour and it can do all the "daily driver" tasks except gaming. (Meanwhile I replaced my other laptop's battery 3 times in that time!) THe MBA's mobo finally went out so I'm in the market for a new laptop NOW and want to justify buying an EIGHTH GEN i5 MBP for over $1000 when there are laptops with TENTH gen i7's and >1tb hdd's for similar money.....…

Any reason you aren't looking at ryzen based laptops?

Was trying to make an, uh, apples-to-Apples comparison, so yes, I'm also in the market for an AMD but that understanding long-term-quality of components isn't ... well, I guess I have no idea how to measure the "quality" of a laptop if it's not simply "go trust Apple".

I mainly go back to the batteries I had to buy for one laptop.

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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macOS runs horribly on custom hardware, it just runs better than other commodity software. Any application that pushes frames/performance would do better on Linux/Windows on the equivalent amount of silicon. What's missing because the hardware and drivers is so closed is the feedback loop between application/game devs and the vendors. If I have an issue with what I'm building, I can hop into a chat and immediately ta…

Apple lacks this feedback loop, and their drivers are garbage. There may be exceptions, but I never had anything like the graphics glitching that the Nouveau drivers had or known problems that would lock up Intel GPUs every one 1-2 days or consistently in some workloads [1], or broken Intel WiFi drivers. The recent Intel driver problems literally took months 4-5 months to fix, while they show-stopping errors were in…

It goes without saying that OSX has the worst driver support out of Windows/Linux/OSX simply because OSX supports the smallest range of devices it will run on. Windows runs on hardware from a wide range of OEM's, whereas OSX only supports hardware produced by Apple. Try running a hackintosh and you'll very quickly see what I mean. Linux driver support used to be garbage but it has gotten quite good lately. User friendly distributions like Ubuntu typically work out of the box now.

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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I'm on the hunt for my next laptop and I'd really like to have a rock solid portable that runs Linux, but my past experience with Dell indicates inferior hardware and construction to Mac. I looked at the 2020 Macbook Air (the $~1300 model), and it seems to offer the same or better specs (depending how much you value the display) for the price. Are we at the point where we must pay a premium NOT to run OSX, or am I mi…

Lenovo announced yesterday that Thinkpads pre-loaded with Fedora are on their way. Their X1 Carbon line already work extremely well with Linux.

second this. Very happy with the Carbon.

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Honest question: Having Linux on a Mac a decade ago had sense has Mac hardwares were special enough to provide value, but now you have XPS-like hardware, why would people buy a Mac to install a Linux on it? Dual boot? What does Mac hardware have that others don't?

I've been trying since the Pentium III to use Linux on a laptop and have finally given up completely. I've tried on a variety of hardware, even with official support. Driver problems and battery life have always been an issue. But... are we talking about the same XPS laptop? My wife's 13" XPS purchased ~2016 has had horrible reliability. The charging port died a long time ago, fortunately, it charges over USB-C. But…

>I've tried to get her to switch to Mac, but she prefers Windows, so next time I'm buying her a Surface Laptop. HTH anyone considering the XPS.

If HW reliability is a concern and you want to choose Apple, couldn't you BootCamp it or run Windows in a full screen VM?

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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macOS runs horribly on custom hardware, it just runs better than other commodity software. Any application that pushes frames/performance would do better on Linux/Windows on the equivalent amount of silicon. What's missing because the hardware and drivers is so closed is the feedback loop between application/game devs and the vendors. If I have an issue with what I'm building, I can hop into a chat and immediately ta…

Apple lacks this feedback loop, and their drivers are garbage. There may be exceptions, but I never had anything like the graphics glitching that the Nouveau drivers had or known problems that would lock up Intel GPUs every one 1-2 days or consistently in some workloads [1], or broken Intel WiFi drivers. The recent Intel driver problems literally took months 4-5 months to fix, while they show-stopping errors were in…

I'm absolutely NOT including open source drivers in my assessment. I'm specifically talking about drivers written by vendors who unsurprisingly do a better job targeting their own hardware.

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Honest question: Having Linux on a Mac a decade ago had sense has Mac hardwares were special enough to provide value, but now you have XPS-like hardware, why would people buy a Mac to install a Linux on it? Dual boot? What does Mac hardware have that others don't?

I've been trying since the Pentium III to use Linux on a laptop and have finally given up completely. I've tried on a variety of hardware, even with official support. Driver problems and battery life have always been an issue. But... are we talking about the same XPS laptop? My wife's 13" XPS purchased ~2016 has had horrible reliability. The charging port died a long time ago, fortunately, it charges over USB-C. But…

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