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500K bet on rock paper scissors ruled invalid by Quebec court
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Re: 500K bet on rock paper scissors ruled invalid by Quebec court
#12Is RPS a game of skill?
A game of skill is a game where the outcome is determined mainly by mental or physical skill, rather than chance.
Considering that you can get a robot that will beat RPS 100% of the time, I would consider that a yes.
https://newatlas.com/unbeatable-rock-paper-scissors-robot/29...
Re: 500K bet on rock paper scissors ruled invalid by Quebec court
#13> In the 2017 judgment, Superior Court Justice Chantal Chatelain found that rock paper scissors is not simply a game of luck. > the sense of observation or the putting in place of a strategic sequence The court can ask him to defeat 10 other people in that game consistently to prove that ? But then he could argue the others were also skilled ?
A nontrivial fraction of people form their selection when _starting to_ move their hand down the final time. It's very much possible to counter that.
Re: 500K bet on rock paper scissors ruled invalid by Quebec court
#14> In the 2017 judgment, Superior Court Justice Chantal Chatelain found that rock paper scissors is not simply a game of luck. > the sense of observation or the putting in place of a strategic sequence The court can ask him to defeat 10 other people in that game consistently to prove that ? But then he could argue the others were also skilled ?
"not simply a game of luck". Of course there's luck involved. There's luck involved in tennis as well. Would you consider tennis a coin flip?
Re: 500K bet on rock paper scissors ruled invalid by Quebec court
#15Is RPS a game of skill?
> Is RPS a game of skill? If you do a 2/3, or 3/5, etc, then maybe. Numberphile did an episode on how you're more likely to win by following a particular strategy: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rudzYPHuewc Presumably this works best if the other person is not following the same strategy. The paper that they reference (PDF): * https://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.5199v1.pdf
But then you play someone using similar strategy and you meet the nash equilibrium.
Re: 500K bet on rock paper scissors ruled invalid by Quebec court
#16Is RPS a game of skill?
> Is RPS a game of skill? If you do a 2/3, or 3/5, etc, then maybe. Numberphile did an episode on how you're more likely to win by following a particular strategy: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rudzYPHuewc Presumably this works best if the other person is not following the same strategy. The paper that they reference (PDF): * https://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.5199v1.pdf
I just watched that video. Fascinating. Of course it means if the other person is playing the strategy, then you want to play the strategy to beat that strategy, which is just as simple. But if they realise you are doing that they might switch to the one that beats the one that beats the one. I guess it gets a bit like poker where you are trying to appear "loose" then suddenly play tight or whatever.
I was wondering how a human can generate random numbers while playing. One way could be if you can hear your heart beat, the number of beats between plays mod 3 would allow you to play randomly enough to throw off your opponents strategy.
You could also memorise a recently generate sequence of random numbers!
Re: 500K bet on rock paper scissors ruled invalid by Quebec court
#17They should have added a skill-testing question to the contest!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skill_testing_question
I think these are my favourite legal loophole. I even remember teachers using them as examples in elementary math classes.
Edit: this is tongue in cheek, not legal advice
Re: 500K bet on rock paper scissors ruled invalid by Quebec court
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is RPS a game of skill? If you do a 2/3, or 3/5, etc, then maybe. Numberphile did an episode on how you're more likely to win by following a particular strategy: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rudzYPHuewc Presumably this works best if the other person is not following the same strategy. The paper that they reference (PDF): * https://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.5199v1.pdf
But then you play someone using similar strategy and you meet the nash equilibrium.
No pure Nash Equilibria means they won't ever converge, as humans are great at seeing patterns that aren't there and cannot make random choices without outside help.
Re: 500K bet on rock paper scissors ruled invalid by Quebec court
#19> In the 2017 judgment, Superior Court Justice Chantal Chatelain found that rock paper scissors is not simply a game of luck. > the sense of observation or the putting in place of a strategic sequence The court can ask him to defeat 10 other people in that game consistently to prove that ? But then he could argue the others were also skilled ?
A nontrivial fraction of people form their selection when _starting to_ move their hand down the final time. It's very much possible to counter that.
Isn't that cheating?
Re: 500K bet on rock paper scissors ruled invalid by Quebec court
#20They should have added a skill-testing question to the contest! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skill_testing_question I think these are my favourite legal loophole. I even remember teachers using them as examples in elementary math classes. Edit: this is tongue in cheek, not legal advice
The article says RPS was ruled a game of skill, but the wager was ruled invalid because the amount was excessive.