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Re: Void Linux: Some Context for Recent Events

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

dTal wrote: post #8

It's a shame that Void only seems to get attention when there's some sort of social drama angle. So let me plug my daily driver of the past several years: Void is an excellent, excellent distro. It's quite similar to Arch in many ways, but its binary software repositories are much larger, and include some quite tricky customers (like FreeCAD). Its package management system is very advanced. Unlike Arch, shared librar…

> Unlike Arch, shared libraries are tracked, so partial updates are supported.

Even in the bad case, xbps just tells you that there are conflicts and it can't do what you want. Which is annoying when it happens as a result of official repos rebuilding, but still nice (EDIT: or rather, better than breaking your system!).

Re: Void Linux: Some Context for Recent Events

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Post by jarfil »

squarefoot wrote: post #10
emkemp wrote: post #3

It appears Juan RP is having some problems. https://twitter.com/xtraemeat

Apparently his gf brought their daughters away from him, and he had to spend some time fighting in court. This struck on me because I have a friend in the same situation, and he is desperate to the point we fear for him to go suicidal. Using kids as a weapon against the ex partner is just evil. Now, unless Juan is violent to them, forcing the daughters not to contact or see him, especially if they suddenly become hos…

Also the #StayAtHome seems to bring out the best and the word in people, and he mentions having covid-like symptoms right before all of this. That amount of stress can be bad.

Re: Void Linux: Some Context for Recent Events

#13

Post by Igelau »

squarefoot wrote: post #10
emkemp wrote: post #3

It appears Juan RP is having some problems. https://twitter.com/xtraemeat

Apparently his gf brought their daughters away from him, and he had to spend some time fighting in court. This struck on me because I have a friend in the same situation, and he is desperate to the point we fear for him to go suicidal. Using kids as a weapon against the ex partner is just evil. Now, unless Juan is violent to them, forcing the daughters not to contact or see him, especially if they suddenly become hos…

This whole thing may have ignited when one of the maintainers put an entry in the fortunes file that made fun of that: https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/commit/c3b796aca...

Smells to me like they deliberately set him off so they'd have an excuse to stage a coup. Could be wrong, but this distro looks like it's maintained by a den of vipers and I'm sure as hell not going near it.

Re: Void Linux: Some Context for Recent Events

#14

Post by jack1243star »

dTal wrote: post #8

It's a shame that Void only seems to get attention when there's some sort of social drama angle. So let me plug my daily driver of the past several years: Void is an excellent, excellent distro. It's quite similar to Arch in many ways, but its binary software repositories are much larger, and include some quite tricky customers (like FreeCAD). Its package management system is very advanced. Unlike Arch, shared librar…

Since you also mentioned, how does it compare to NixOS? IIRC it is also a distro-on-git(hub), with stronger guarantees on separating package dependencies?

Re: Void Linux: Some Context for Recent Events

#15

Post by RunningDroid »

Igelau wrote: post #13
squarefoot wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently his gf brought their daughters away from him, and he had to spend some time fighting in court. This struck on me because I have a friend in the same situation, and he is desperate to the point we fear for him to go suicidal. Using kids as a weapon against the ex partner is just evil. Now, unless Juan is violent to them, forcing the daughters not to contact or see him, especially if they suddenly become hos…

This whole thing may have ignited when one of the maintainers put an entry in the fortunes file that made fun of that: https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/commit/c3b796aca... Smells to me like they deliberately set him off so they'd have an excuse to stage a coup. Could be wrong, but this distro looks like it's maintained by a den of vipers and I'm sure as hell not going near it.

>stage a coup From tfa: >This is not the first time xtraeme has left Void. I wrote about this on my personal site back in 2018, and you can read that full article over there.

Re: Void Linux: Some Context for Recent Events

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Post by _23sd »

Igelau wrote: post #13
squarefoot wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently his gf brought their daughters away from him, and he had to spend some time fighting in court. This struck on me because I have a friend in the same situation, and he is desperate to the point we fear for him to go suicidal. Using kids as a weapon against the ex partner is just evil. Now, unless Juan is violent to them, forcing the daughters not to contact or see him, especially if they suddenly become hos…

This whole thing may have ignited when one of the maintainers put an entry in the fortunes file that made fun of that: https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/commit/c3b796aca... Smells to me like they deliberately set him off so they'd have an excuse to stage a coup. Could be wrong, but this distro looks like it's maintained by a den of vipers and I'm sure as hell not going near it.

No, that particular commit was in the aftermath. xtraeme's angry tweets started at 7:40 PDT, access to infrastructure was cut off at 8:40, and that commit was at 9:32. The individual who made the commit apologized on reddit and said it wasn't intended as a reference to xtraeme's personal situation. Terrible form though and certainly didn't help matters, but I think the outcome was determined by that point.

Re: Void Linux: Some Context for Recent Events

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Post by Igelau »

_23sd wrote: post #16
Igelau wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This whole thing may have ignited when one of the maintainers put an entry in the fortunes file that made fun of that: https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/commit/c3b796aca... Smells to me like they deliberately set him off so they'd have an excuse to stage a coup. Could be wrong, but this distro looks like it's maintained by a den of vipers and I'm sure as hell not going near it.

No, that particular commit was in the aftermath. xtraeme's angry tweets started at 7:40 PDT, access to infrastructure was cut off at 8:40, and that commit was at 9:32. The individual who made the commit apologized on reddit and said it wasn't intended as a reference to xtraeme's personal situation. Terrible form though and certainly didn't help matters, but I think the outcome was determined by that point.

That's kind of true? The one that made the divorce crack apologized and seems to have an innocent enough explanation. Look again though, the one that actually made the commit (Vaelatern) is trying to be sly by saying they just found it amusing, and only going so far as to say they "support the decision" to revert it.

While this couldn't have set it off timeline-wise, it paints a picture that someone was trying to goad him into going too far.

Re: Void Linux: Some Context for Recent Events

#18

Post by Igelau »

RunningDroid wrote: post #15
Igelau wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This whole thing may have ignited when one of the maintainers put an entry in the fortunes file that made fun of that: https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/commit/c3b796aca... Smells to me like they deliberately set him off so they'd have an excuse to stage a coup. Could be wrong, but this distro looks like it's maintained by a den of vipers and I'm sure as hell not going near it.

>stage a coup From tfa: >This is not the first time xtraeme has left Void. I wrote about this on my personal site back in 2018, and you can read that full article over there.

But then...

> Did xtraeme resign or was he banned?

> Timing is everything. The ticket which expressed xtraeme’s desire to resign was opened first, then over the next hour he lashed out at several project members. The resignation was processed per his wishes, and per his conduct torwards others a ban was applied at the organization level.

That's not a "yes, he resigned." That's dodgy political talk.

Re: Void Linux: Some Context for Recent Events

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Post by ahesford »

Igelau wrote: post #13
squarefoot wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently his gf brought their daughters away from him, and he had to spend some time fighting in court. This struck on me because I have a friend in the same situation, and he is desperate to the point we fear for him to go suicidal. Using kids as a weapon against the ex partner is just evil. Now, unless Juan is violent to them, forcing the daughters not to contact or see him, especially if they suddenly become hos…

This whole thing may have ignited when one of the maintainers put an entry in the fortunes file that made fun of that: https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/commit/c3b796aca... Smells to me like they deliberately set him off so they'd have an excuse to stage a coup. Could be wrong, but this distro looks like it's maintained by a den of vipers and I'm sure as hell not going near it.

This was not the flashpoint, and the comment was not an attempt to make fun of xtraeme's situation. I had no knowledge of his situation until long after that comment was made, pushed to the fortune file, and reverted.

Watching the situation unfold reminded me acutely of the arguing and escalation I witnessed in the aftermath of my parents' divorce and the gradual destruction of my father's second marriage.

I made the comment in an attempt to lighten the mood in a Void IRC channel while a situation that nobody wanted in the first place spun out of control.

Knowing how the comment was perceived, I regret making it. I also regret that it has now been immortalized by another user in the commit logs of void-packages.

Re: Void Linux: Some Context for Recent Events

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Post by catach »

Igelau wrote: post #18
RunningDroid wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>stage a coup From tfa: >This is not the first time xtraeme has left Void. I wrote about this on my personal site back in 2018, and you can read that full article over there.

But then... > Did xtraeme resign or was he banned? > Timing is everything. The ticket which expressed xtraeme’s desire to resign was opened first, then over the next hour he lashed out at several project members. The resignation was processed per his wishes, and per his conduct torwards others a ban was applied at the organization level. That's not a "yes, he resigned." That's dodgy political talk.

I don't know how else you'd answer the question when it's "both".
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