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Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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Post by bhupy »

jshevek wrote: post #139
bhupy wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unrelated, but base64 encoding feedback is a great idea.

I'm not convinced, as it creates the possibility of egregious violations of community standards being difficult for moderators to detect. Less of an issue, but still worth some thought: Just like paywalled submissions must be by-passable so that we can all share in a conversation equally, base64 threatens to create subthreads that are not equally accessible. (Trivial easy if you are on a laptop, not on mobile).

I hadn't thought of that, that's interesting.

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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Post by droidist2 »

dabbledash wrote: post #138
droidist2 wrote: post #135

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What about the option of slowing the spread or flattening the curve so it doesn't overwhelm the healthcare system?

My understanding is the end game for that is still a vaccine or herd immunity. It just slows the process down enough that you don’t have more people dying because of a lack of equipment.

So then trying to drive the infection rate too low before reopening could actually be counterproductive because it also slows down the building of herd immunity?

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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Post by jshevek »

looping__lui wrote: post #106
looping__lui wrote: post #63

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Hey, I am German. Assembly line worker generally earn similar to university graduates. It does not matter whether you are employed or not: your kids will get the same quality of schooling (almost no private schools), you get the same healthcare treatment everybody else gets, your kids will go to university for free - if they can’t afford living expenses the government will give them a free loan for that, you get 6 we…

I am a bit shocked that all those people downvoting me apparently do not understand a simple fact: democracies give the power to decide over the distribution of wealth and the justification for “taking a fair share” to the majority; that’s how votes work; democracies justify taking 80% of tax from 20% of population by popular opinion that “high incomes should pay greater shares because it is fair”; so how exactly doe…

I agree with your assessment of the nature and consequences of a well-functioning democracy. I think it self evident that ours (USA) is not working especially well, particular with regard to resisting corruption. On the other hand, I'm not sure anyone has blamed this on a single company?

Also, you may be interested in this bit from the site guidelines:

>Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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Post by SrslyJosh »

alkibiades wrote: post #112
crazygringo wrote: post #95

> Amazon said earlier this month it had hired an additional 100,000 employees Not the main point of the article, but can I just say that's huge . That's... the same size as Google's entire full-time workforce. Granted they're low-skill warehouse positions, not highly paid engineering jobs, but still. The ability of a company to hire one hundred thousand people in a month is absolutely insane.

honestly the low skill jobs are more important and needed

"Low skill" usually means that anyone posting here would wash out in a day or two.

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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Post by renewiltord »

jshevek wrote: post #139
bhupy wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unrelated, but base64 encoding feedback is a great idea.

I'm not convinced, as it creates the possibility of egregious violations of community standards being difficult for moderators to detect. Less of an issue, but still worth some thought: Just like paywalled submissions must be by-passable so that we can all share in a conversation equally, base64 threatens to create subthreads that are not equally accessible. (Trivial easy if you are on a laptop, not on mobile).

That's a fair point. Acting in good faith I had not considered abuse of the technique.

I've often wondered what a forum would look like where you could make the equivalent of 'aside' comments. The way someone might, while you're speaking, say softly "hyPERbolee, not HYper-bowl" to correct you without interrupting.

Perhaps a good example is StackOverflow's Q&A format w/ comments and chats. You can comment and move to chats but the emphasis is on the important part: the question and the answers.

Allowing voting on these "asides" in StackOverflow permits all of the usual stuff while relegating them to the asides they are.

Of course, in the case of what I used it for, it is generally impolite to offer advice unasked but the nature of slow feedback loops means it's better for me to offer an ignorable piece of thing. i.e. if you think I'm an idiot, I want you to have the power to ignore me. That is only polite to compensate for the brain-hacking strength of having text describe you. You can't ignore it afterwards.

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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Post by credit_guy »

crazygringo wrote: post #95

> Amazon said earlier this month it had hired an additional 100,000 employees Not the main point of the article, but can I just say that's huge . That's... the same size as Google's entire full-time workforce. Granted they're low-skill warehouse positions, not highly paid engineering jobs, but still. The ability of a company to hire one hundred thousand people in a month is absolutely insane.

My guess is that Amazon has plenty of experience hiring tons of warehouse workers for the Christmas shopping season.

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Post by mritun »

viklove wrote: post #81
cco wrote: post #79

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> The United States hasn't even passed the first stage of Corona yet (in SF, daily number of deaths is still rising). It is too early to mandate come backs. That isn't true according to the numbers from https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en . Do you have a citation for that? Numbers for new deaths have been hovering between 0 and 5 for the last month in SF, SF has had a total of 22 people dead, due to successful lo…

Deaths is not a metric that can determine which stage of this pandemic we are in. Immunity is the figure you're looking for, which will not increase under a shelter-in-place order. Deaths are down, but will immediately shoot back up if the shelter-in-place is lifted. The only goal posts you should care about are herd immunity or vaccination. Nothing else matters when discussing how much longer this pandemic will last…

There is no evidence that getting infected with covid19 gives anyone immunity. There are already documented cases of People have been infected twice.

Herd immunity would be nice - but so far none of the known coronavirus infections grant immunity. Herd immunity cries will only kill innocent people.

Herd immunity is more a myth than a fact right now.

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Post by greendude29 »

twomoretime wrote: post #119
greendude29 wrote: post #40

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Disagree. Amazon is doing pretty well due to the quarantine (as they deserve to given the services they provide). Them having to reduce their share of the profits from these extraordinary times is not particularly noble, but rather just average. The United States hasn't even passed the first stage of Corona yet (in SF, daily number of deaths is still rising). It is too early to mandate come backs. Here in SF, multipl…

>The United States hasn't even passed the first stage of Corona yet (in SF, daily number of deaths is still rising). It is too early to mandate come backs. Considering multiple states are larger than many European countries, I don't think it's appropriate to treat the US as a monolithic entity with respect to virus containment. Even if all of the states reacted identically, time and space dictate that different regio…

I mean, I'm really not comparing anything to the EU or European countries?

It's simply a fact. Total death counts in the US are still going up.

Once the quarantine is relaxed and things "open up", we WILL go through a second wave. That is by design of shelter in place.

Why the defensiveness on part of the US? With or without the above, it's response has been terrible. Why defend bad practices?

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Post by lidHanteyk »

looping__lui wrote: post #122
looping__lui wrote: post #100

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Like you can actually vote? Like there are more than two parties with the same take on social security? So you are telling me that the system in the US is like how the majority of people want it or that people have no say in the system?

But what do all the comments on my reply have to do with Amazon then? Yeah, I get it, HN doesn’t like them but you say yourself the problem is something else. So why the company bashing?

Because, counterfactually, no Jeff Bezos means no Amazon means no abuse of Amazon employees. So, to some extent, Bezos and Amazon are responsible, even if they aren't wholly responsible.

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Post by scollet »

looping__lui wrote: post #21
claudeganon wrote: post #12

There’s no greater demonstration of their internal class divide than what would happen if they asked HQ employees to stop working from home and do the same.

... force people whose job can be done from home to go to the office for the sake of “solidarity” !?

You purposefully misconstrued the argument to sideline any criticism. Don't attack people in defense of a company's honor, it owes nothing to you.
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