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Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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How long until Amazon's warehouses are 100% fully robotic? Or 99% fully robotic? (With a small team of managers to check in on the robots)

I'm curious what the percentage is right now.

You can go tour one. The robotics are pretty impressive.

It reminded me of the scenes in Beauty and the Beast where the teapots and brooms and candlesticks were all orchestrated together to clean up/set the table/etc.

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

#102

There’s no greater demonstration of their internal class divide than what would happen if they asked HQ employees to stop working from home and do the same.

... force people whose job can be done from home to go to the office for the sake of “solidarity” !?

In some large (and dysfunctional) companies the solidarity, handshaking, and hob nobbing has become the actual work, and it can’t be done from home

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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Not talking about it in absolute terms. How about talking about it in terms of median wage per job title? Putting big numbers in glitzy blog posts only serves to dazzle and obfuscates how easy it would be for Amazon to double or triple that number with basically no dent in the wallet from doing so.

You think Amazon could spend an extra $700 million to $1.4 billion with "basically no dent in the wallet"? I guess I understand why you're frustrated if you think that's the case, but it's just not true.

Jeff Bezos owns 55.55M shares of Amazon stock (https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1043298.htm). Since just April 1st, the value of that stock has increased by ~55.55M*($2400 - $1900) = $27.775B. I know net_worth != cash, but he can and routinely does (see link above) liquidate stock to fund other projects.

In this context, I think $700M is equivalent to a coin tossed in a fountain.

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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Amazon has by now spent millions of man-hours on addressing COVID-19 -- meetings, designing splash banners, etc. They are a very big company who pays big money for top talent. Amazon is not the scrappy upstart it was 15 years ago. Let's hold them accountable according to what they are capable. Edit: it would seem obvious in retrospect that if most major governments have action plans in case of global pandemic, a glob…

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Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

#106
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The point is that the way the system is currently set up, it sustains itself by using poor and working class bodies as consumable parts which are replaced when they inevitably crack under the pressure. Yes if you get a good education and get a desk job you can work from home. That's obvious. What is less obvious is who, on average, has the means and access to get to that position.

Hey, I am German. Assembly line worker generally earn similar to university graduates. It does not matter whether you are employed or not: your kids will get the same quality of schooling (almost no private schools), you get the same healthcare treatment everybody else gets, your kids will go to university for free - if they can’t afford living expenses the government will give them a free loan for that, you get 6 we…

I am a bit shocked that all those people downvoting me apparently do not understand a simple fact: democracies give the power to decide over the distribution of wealth and the justification for “taking a fair share” to the majority; that’s how votes work; democracies justify taking 80% of tax from 20% of population by popular opinion that “high incomes should pay greater shares because it is fair”; so how exactly does your exploitation Marx stuff work at scale - unless your system is corrupted and non-democratic; but why do you blame THAT on a single company?

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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Disagree. Amazon is doing pretty well due to the quarantine (as they deserve to given the services they provide). Them having to reduce their share of the profits from these extraordinary times is not particularly noble, but rather just average. The United States hasn't even passed the first stage of Corona yet (in SF, daily number of deaths is still rising). It is too early to mandate come backs. Here in SF, multipl…

> The United States hasn't even passed the first stage of Corona yet (in SF, daily number of deaths is still rising). It is too early to mandate come backs. That isn't true according to the numbers from https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en . Do you have a citation for that? Numbers for new deaths have been hovering between 0 and 5 for the last month in SF, SF has had a total of 22 people dead, due to successful lo…

> SF has had a total of 22 people dead, due to successful lockdown measures it basically never hit SF.

That appears to be false.

SF has had corona since Dec. and a large percentage of the population were exposed months ago.

Lockdown at this point is just theater.

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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post #102

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... force people whose job can be done from home to go to the office for the sake of “solidarity” !?

In some large (and dysfunctional) companies the solidarity, handshaking, and hob nobbing has become the actual work, and it can’t be done from home

LOL

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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post #79

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> The United States hasn't even passed the first stage of Corona yet (in SF, daily number of deaths is still rising). It is too early to mandate come backs. That isn't true according to the numbers from https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en . Do you have a citation for that? Numbers for new deaths have been hovering between 0 and 5 for the last month in SF, SF has had a total of 22 people dead, due to successful lo…

Deaths is not a metric that can determine which stage of this pandemic we are in. Immunity is the figure you're looking for, which will not increase under a shelter-in-place order. Deaths are down, but will immediately shoot back up if the shelter-in-place is lifted. The only goal posts you should care about are herd immunity or vaccination. Nothing else matters when discussing how much longer this pandemic will last…

I'm not so much mad, more sad. It's unfortunate to see commenters who go around trying to dunk on people instead of constructively contributing.

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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post #79

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> The United States hasn't even passed the first stage of Corona yet (in SF, daily number of deaths is still rising). It is too early to mandate come backs. That isn't true according to the numbers from https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en . Do you have a citation for that? Numbers for new deaths have been hovering between 0 and 5 for the last month in SF, SF has had a total of 22 people dead, due to successful lo…

Deaths is not a metric that can determine which stage of this pandemic we are in. Immunity is the figure you're looking for, which will not increase under a shelter-in-place order. Deaths are down, but will immediately shoot back up if the shelter-in-place is lifted. The only goal posts you should care about are herd immunity or vaccination. Nothing else matters when discussing how much longer this pandemic will last…

I think people are hoping for a third option: driving the infection rate low enough that it can be contained going forward with testing and contact tracing. Whether it’s realistic to think that can be achieved in an acceptable timeframe, I don’t know.
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