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YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by smsm42 »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #514
stcredzero wrote: post #270

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I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( The idea is: "We are the decent, good, people who know the truth. Now we control the platforms, so it's only well and good we control the information, and we tell the deplorable others what they can and can't say." Almost everyone in the history books as a horrible oppressor has told themselves that narrative. Many…

This is how all news media operated before the internet created mouthpieces for non-professionals. In addition to suppressing some inconvenient truths they filtered out crackpot ideas that have become a plague in modern times.

> crackpot ideas that have become a plague in modern times.

It's especially fascinating to read this after we have literal viral pandemic, about which WHO told us it's not transmissible human to human, government told us go and enjoy restaurants and parades, CDC banned third-party tests and then completely bungled their own tests, same CDC advised people not to wear masks, and so on, and so on... yeah sure, "crackpot ideas" have become a plague. That's where the problem is. I am sitting a month in a quarantine while watching the economy slowly turning to dust - because some crackpot dude made a video about his ideas on Youtube, right?

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by kongolongo »

orangecat wrote: post #145
kongolongo wrote: post #16

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To be fair no major health organization has been completely consistent or completely "correct" regarding the pandemic, in fact its virtually impossible to do so as the situation develops and our understanding of the situation changes. The recent change to CDC guidelines for the general public to wear face masks is an example of reaction to new research. That's not to say there isn't outright incorrect fake news, but…

To be fair no major health organization has been completely consistent or completely "correct" regarding the pandemic Exactly, which is why declaring that any one entity is the unquestionable source of truth not only shreds the concept of freedom of expression but may be actively harmful. The recent change to CDC guidelines for the general public to wear face masks is an example of reaction to new research. Was it ac…

Responding to new research is one of reasons they list on their site for the face new mask guidelines. It was shown that asymptomatic people can also transmit the virus, so the CDC is recommending everyone, not just high risk people, wear face masks to limit the spread in areas where social distancing is difficult.

"In light of this new evidence, CDC recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies) especially in areas of significant community-based transmission." [1]

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-si...

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by ZenPsycho »

RonanTheGrey wrote: post #754
ZenPsycho wrote: post #583

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So, how many deaths are you willing to be responsible for? make sure to scale it up to youtube size.

Are you aware of how irresponsible a decision-making heuristic that is?

yes that’s why I am mocking the folks who think people dying is fine, and “freedom of speech” is more important.

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Post by cannedslime »

An WHOs advice is exactly what? Take some untested meds, because why not?

Don't act in time, and if you must act, act in the most destructive way possible. Don't close borders before your country has infected. Close the whole bloody country down after the fact!

Im sick and tired of every tech company and goverment using this as an excuse to limit rights and censor left and right. I'd rather have to filter out a few videos about bleach curing SARS than living in this censorship nightmare.

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Post by beezischillin »

I largely disagree with YouTube's stance here, it's stupid. They kinda forced themselves into a corner with this one, I don't realistically think they can enforce this. Yet this is just another step in them screwing over creators. I'm especially worried about retroactive enforcement. As they often do. For example: which WHO advice do you need to contradict? Would they take down a video from January that says there's no need to worry because there is no human to human contact - as the WHO said in January? YouTube generally speaking has done shady stuff like this and it never ended well. There has to be a better way to handle this but I generally think that Susan has been busy waging a PR battle with people who don't even matter for the future of her platform.

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Post by RonanTheGrey »

ZenPsycho wrote: post #763
RonanTheGrey wrote: post #754

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Are you aware of how irresponsible a decision-making heuristic that is?

yes that’s why I am mocking the folks who think people dying is fine, and “freedom of speech” is more important.

I think you missed my point.

"EVERYONE IS GONNA DIE AHHHHHHHH!!!!!" is not a good basis on which to be making planetary policy.

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Post by ZenPsycho »

RonanTheGrey wrote: post #767
ZenPsycho wrote: post #763

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yes that’s why I am mocking the folks who think people dying is fine, and “freedom of speech” is more important.

I think you missed my point. "EVERYONE IS GONNA DIE AHHHHHHHH!!!!!" is not a good basis on which to be making planetary policy.

welcome to the list of hacker news commenters I am extremely disappointed in then. I cannot logically argue you into caring about human life. though personally i don’t think conspiracy theory videos and slippery slope arguments are more important.

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Post by bad_user »

grawprog wrote: post #545
bad_user wrote: post #434

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WHO currently represents the scientific consensus. No, they don't tell you what to do, it is your government that does that, or in this case a private entity. But anybody with a brain would go for the scientific consensus. (Even though, just to be clear, I don't agree with what YouTube is doing here)

Since when is science about consensus? I seem to recall learning more about falsification being the primary driver behind the scientific method, which tends to revolve around a rigorous process of trying to prove everything wrong until you just can't any more. Sure haven't seen a whole lot of that. Sure have seen a whole lot of, listen to us because this is what we say, without a whole lot of correctly collected data…

Consensus in science is fundamental. This is because even nobel laureates can and have turned to quackery. You don't have science without peer review.

If you're anti-consensus, you're anti-science.

And yes, it's OK to be skeptical, all good scientists are skeptics, but skeptics don't reject consensus, only denialists do.

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Post by yuema »

dvtrn wrote: post #743
yuema wrote: post #730

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I was really inspired by John Barlow's "A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace" Somehow despite my own digital-revolutionary tendencies (don't read too far into this, heh) I'd never come across this bit of writing before. Thank you! I think you'll really appreciate the IndieWeb's adoption of microformats to enable federation, a brilliant example of it in use to display a timeline-esque rendering of contribut…

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