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YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by nostrebored »

cle wrote: post #603
manigandham wrote: post #573

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly qualifies someone to be a "professional" who is allowed to speak? The vast majority of content I watch on Youtube is produced by independent creators covering a variety of topics with much more detail, expertise, and truth than any mainstream program.

There isn’t “qualified” and “unqualified”. It’s not that black-and-white, and I wish people would accept that more. Basically what we should be asking ourselves is “What’s the likelihood that what this person is telling me is correct?” which is much more useful, because it immediately puts the focus on what factors contribute to that. We aren’t going to conclude anything useful until we can agree that there are good…

With the current state of scientific journalism, the likelihood among all channels is a resounding: very low.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by WA »

nelox wrote: post #702
logifail wrote: post #121

Current WHO advice: "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19." [0] Where we live, due to local laws , we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( We keep trying to encourage our ki…

Did you actually read the advice? It explicitly provides advice addressing your concern. "In some countries masks are worn in accordance with local customs or in accordance with advice by national authorities in the context of COVID-19. In these situations, best practices should be followed about how to wear, remove, and dispose of them, and for hand hygiene after removal". It then goes on to say ... " Advice to deci…

I dare to ask the question how wearing a mask carries critical risk vs wearing no mask.

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Post by kevinpet »

mikaeluman wrote: post #704

This is a mistake. It implies that we should all agree that WHO: 1) Is not corrupt 2) At all times represents the best available expert opinion and advice But all institutions can become corrupted and the second point is highly implausible. WHO ignored Taiwan’s early warning and maintained for a dangerously long time that human to human transmission was not possible. There is a reason why the US cut funding to WHO. T…

They may not have ignored it. Maybe it was just Bruce Aylward's poor hearing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wePJF3MaPM

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by zemnmez »

mikaeluman wrote: post #704

This is a mistake. It implies that we should all agree that WHO: 1) Is not corrupt 2) At all times represents the best available expert opinion and advice But all institutions can become corrupted and the second point is highly implausible. WHO ignored Taiwan’s early warning and maintained for a dangerously long time that human to human transmission was not possible. There is a reason why the US cut funding to WHO. T…

the WHO is... corrupt? this is the first I have heard of such an idea. What would someone gain by I guess bribing the WHO?

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Post by aaron-lebo »

nelox wrote: post #702
logifail wrote: post #121

Current WHO advice: "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19." [0] Where we live, due to local laws , we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( We keep trying to encourage our ki…

Did you actually read the advice? It explicitly provides advice addressing your concern. "In some countries masks are worn in accordance with local customs or in accordance with advice by national authorities in the context of COVID-19. In these situations, best practices should be followed about how to wear, remove, and dispose of them, and for hand hygiene after removal". It then goes on to say ... " Advice to deci…

Yeah, I just don't understand how in a thread of such important stuff, this comment that's so low-hanging, so based on a non-issue is the top, with dozens of responses to it. It's really bordering on the conspiratorial, it's a bummer to see HN embracing that.

It doesn't really make sense. You've got generic advice and then laws, WHO's statement was not in any way a contradiction of the law and it's grade school logic to see that. What's up HN?

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Post by FeepingCreature »

robrenaud wrote: post #311
stcredzero wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( The idea is: "We are the decent, good, people who know the truth. Now we control the platforms, so it's only well and good we control the information, and we tell the deplorable others what they can and can't say." Almost everyone in the history books as a horrible oppressor has told themselves that narrative. Many…

Germany bans holocaust denial. That seems fine.

As a German, I certainly don't want the governments of the world to generalize this. As the country who (arguably) started two world wars that killed probably low three-digit millions of people, we are in a special position to assure the world that we're not gonna launch a third. Part of that is being honest about the consequences of fascist governments. The relevant ban has decades of history as being specific and limited. Frankly, at this point I trust our government to not try and balloon it into a general suppression of free speech. I don't have the same trust for Youtube.

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Post by nostrebored »

heavyset_go wrote: post #389
umvi wrote: post #85

Free speech (well, most freedoms, really) will die the day we decide "saving lives" is worth _any_ cost. Heck, we already decided trashing the economy is worth "saving lives" (how many?), I imagine some people would be overjoyed to remove the 1st amendment in order to lower disease spread, lower the suicide rate of those vulnerable to hate speech, etc. And why stop there? Remove 2nd amendment and you can save even mo…

> Heck, we already decided trashing the economy is worth "saving lives" (how many?), People dropping dead in the streets will trash the economy.

[citation neeeded]

People die all the time. Pretending that the jury is out on the long term impacts of Covid 19 is ascientific.

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Post by huhhjjh »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #715
nelox wrote: post #702

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you actually read the advice? It explicitly provides advice addressing your concern. "In some countries masks are worn in accordance with local customs or in accordance with advice by national authorities in the context of COVID-19. In these situations, best practices should be followed about how to wear, remove, and dispose of them, and for hand hygiene after removal". It then goes on to say ... " Advice to deci…

Yeah, I just don't understand how in a thread of such important stuff, this comment that's so low-hanging, so based on a non-issue is the top, with dozens of responses to it. It's really bordering on the conspiratorial, it's a bummer to see HN embracing that. It doesn't really make sense. You've got generic advice and then laws, WHO's statement was not in any way a contradiction of the law and it's grade school logic…

hN is heavily moderatded.

You'll never see my comment.

Essentially free and open discussion is impossible here.

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Post by nl »

brobinson wrote: post #616
nl wrote: post #539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While you are technically correct, and it's true this is a real issue in PRC/ROC politics it's a strange hill to die on here. I'd note that you linked to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_Armed_Forces to support your argument. But the very first sentence of that page is "The Republic of China Armed Forces, commonly known as the Taiwanese Armed Forces..."

People commonly refer to the United States of America as "America" which is odd since there's also Central and South America. Being common doesn't equal being correct, and in this case the ambiguity is used by the aggressor state (PRC) to get people to believe a certain narrative. I'll continue to inform folks where I can as most people aren't aware of the situation between the ROC and PRC. I don't care about downvot…

You'd better write to the US government too.

Here's the TAIWAN ALLIES INTERNATIONAL PROTECTION AND ENHANCEMENT INITIATIVE (TAIPEI) ACT OF 2019. It starts: To express United States support for Taiwan's diplomatic alliances around the world.

The name "Republic of China" (as opposed to "People's Republic of China") isn't used. However there are sentences like this:

Since the election of President Tsai Ing-wen as President of Taiwan in 2016, the Government of the People's Republic of China has intensified its efforts to pressure Taiwan.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/167...

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