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YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by fiblye »

specialist wrote: post #656
0xy wrote: post #558

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing emboldens racists like pointing to government oppression of their ideas. The KKK has free reign in the USA and they've experienced plummeting membership. Nothing kills bad ideas like sunlight and scrutiny, you don't need to ban it and make them martyrs.

You're saying that racism and white supremacy is declining?

The LA riots were in 1992. People were getting arrested for marching for civil rights in the 1960s.

Things have improved quite a bit. There was just a period where things were brushed under the rug and not acknowledged, but giving internet access to everyone has made us aware of what's been ignored for so long. There are clear bumps of race-motivated crimes or discrimination sometimes, but there's a pretty obvious downward trend in acceptance of it.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by nelox »

logifail wrote: post #121

Current WHO advice: "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19." [0] Where we live, due to local laws , we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( We keep trying to encourage our ki…

Did you actually read the advice? It explicitly provides advice addressing your concern.

"In some countries masks are worn in accordance with local customs or in accordance with advice by national authorities in the context of COVID-19. In these situations, best practices should be followed about how to wear, remove, and dispose of them, and for hand hygiene after removal".

It then goes on to say ...

"Advice to decision makers on the use of masks for healthy people in community settings.

As described above, the wide use of masks by healthy people in the community setting is not supported by current evidence and carries uncertainties and critical risks. WHO offers the following advice to decision makers so they apply a risk-based approach."

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/331693/WHO-...

I dare say the answer to your question is, no.

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Post by jtgeibel »

philliphaydon wrote: post #690
jtgeibel wrote: post #403

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I've probably seen this tweet 50 times now in the last week. Before that, not even once. It's easy to criticize now with 3 months of additional information and to cherry pick an instance of a few hundred characters out of all the statements the WHO has made. 99% of the criticism of this tweet that I've seen so far comes nowhere near the nuanced criticism you make here. In aggregate, the level of criticism this tweet…

I've watched criticism of that tweet since the day they posted it. Luckily Taiwan and HK ignored the WHO. And alot of people in Singapore also ignored and have been wearing masks since Jan.

I was referring to the tweet on human-to-human transmission.

Masks are a different story and I'm aware of the early criticism there. Although I think they provided a fairly reasonable argument for their position, especially given suppy constraints.

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Post by mikaeluman »

This is a mistake.

It implies that we should all agree that WHO:

1) Is not corrupt 2) At all times represents the best available expert opinion and advice

But all institutions can become corrupted and the second point is highly implausible.

WHO ignored Taiwan’s early warning and maintained for a dangerously long time that human to human transmission was not possible.

There is a reason why the US cut funding to WHO.

This new direction of social platforms to silence people is a fundamentally anti-intellectual and authoritarian idea. We are heading for something awful if we all keep playing along.

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Post by est »

ardy42 wrote: post #631
est wrote: post #617

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> the only reason it doesn't recognize it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_the_United_Nations#R... The only reason it doesn't recognize it is because US kicked RoC out of UN by United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_the_United_Nations#R... > The only reason it doesn't recognize it is because US kicked RoC out of UN by United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758 Huh? The Wikipedia article you linked says the US voted " No " on Resolution 2758. I don't see how you can claim the US did the kicking by opposing the resolution that did the kicking. That article also states that before that…

The "No" is a gesture. If US was serious about the "No' where won't even be a Nixon visit or Resolution of any kind.

Keep in mind RoC was one of the five founding members of UN.

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Post by pjc50 »

aww_dang wrote: post #691
sgustard wrote: post #660

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I believe that you, and I, have a robust filter to identify trustworthy content. But would you agree that most people consume only reliable content on YouTube, or Facebook? There is plenty of evidence that is not the case, and these platforms are being actively attacked by bad actors.

IMHO it is better to start from a point of humility and recognize that we all have our own particular blind spots. Technocratic management and epistemology would be prime examples in this case. Who cares if people consume incorrect information? Who decides what is correct? The WHO has been wrong throughout this pandemic. Accusations of misconduct and a pro-CCP bias are still playing out. The establishment sources hav…

> Who cares if people consume incorrect information?

Anti-vax information can get people killed.

The "5G causes coronavirus" conspiracy theory is causing people to burn down mobile phone masts.

The Rohingya crisis was accelerated by all sorts of fake news and racial libel, resulting in a large number of deaths.

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Post by kabacha »

valtism wrote: post #683
kauffj wrote: post #190

If you are outraged about this, please consider using or contributing to LBRY. All of our tech is open, we've been growing incredibly quickly, and we have a great roster of creators who are fed up with YouTube. LBRY for n00bs: https://lbry.tv Private, P2P desktop app: https://lbry.com/get Recent progress blog post: https://open.lbry.com/@lbry:3f/progress-at-lbry:0 Contributor's guide and source code: https://lbry.tec…

By advertising this here, is your growth plan based on gaining customers who are banned, or disgruntled at the system of moderation on YouTube? If that is the case, you may end up with a less savoury community than you hope for. Voat is an example here.

What a brillaint point that always gets overlooked. People only start taking decentralization when extremes happen and extremist are first ones on board. You end up with majority extremist community when 90% of user pool is centrist - good luck tapping into that now.

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Post by est »

JSavageOne wrote: post #681
dijit wrote: post #88

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The majority of WHO controversies are made up, the WHO are not a political entity so they do not want to comment at all on political issues; and whatever you want to say about Taiwan it is a very heated political situation. That's also the evidence of "alignment with china": because we in the west see a failure to recognise taiwan as siding with china. Which is odd because the USA doesn't officially recognise Taiwan…

> the WHO are not a political entity so they do not want to comment at all on political issues; The WHO is very much a political entity in the pockets of the Chinese Communist Party. There's a difference between refusing to comment on Taiwan and pretending like Taiwan doesn't exist. Ignoring the political aspect, they've dealt with this crisis terribly, being slow to respond and giving downright false advice like tel…

> pretending like Taiwan doesn't exist

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/29-03-2020-information-...

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Post by ummwhat »

logifail wrote: post #121

Current WHO advice: "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19." [0] Where we live, due to local laws , we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( We keep trying to encourage our ki…

In practice this will mean "YouTube is taking down obvious contrarian theory vids which convince followers to burn 5g towers and the like". No one is actually interested in censoring your nuanced criticisms of the WHO. Your form of objection doesn't risk inciting idiots to violence.

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Post by pjc50 »

logicchains wrote: post #612
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #571

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You're right. We're so much better off when a significant segment of the population believes that the Secretary of State is pimping out children from a pizza restaurant.

Yes, because the idea of rich, influential men pimping out children in modern America is simply unthinkable and certainly hasn't happened recently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein

The conspiracy theory stuff is seemingly always exactly wrong about this. Not only does it magnify unsubstantiated allegations, it often helps suppress the genuine ones; look at how badly the Weinstein accusers have been treated.
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