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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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> Neither does the US. Taiwan is only recognised by IIRC 12 natinos, mostly small island states. This has become another weird internet talking point as international recognition pretty much unanmiously switched to the PRC in the 1970s. That's misleading. The US de facto recognizes Taiwan, and the only reason it doesn't recognize it de jure is that the PRC would formally cut off relations if it did. https://en.wikipe…

> the only reason it doesn't recognize it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_the_United_Nations#R... The only reason it doesn't recognize it is because US kicked RoC out of UN by United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_the_United_Nations#R...

> The only reason it doesn't recognize it is because US kicked RoC out of UN by United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758

Huh? The Wikipedia article you linked says the US voted "No" on Resolution 2758. I don't see how you can claim the US did the kicking by opposing the resolution that did the kicking.

That article also states that before that vote...

> ...the United States was proposing that while the credentials of the PRC representatives would be accepted and the PRC would be seated as China’s representative with a seat on the Security Council, the ROC would continue to enjoy representation in the General Assembly.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Remember when the WHO didn't recognize Taiwan as a sevreign nation? Obviously the WHO isn't solely objective.

Neither does the US. Taiwan is only recognised by IIRC 12 natinos, mostly small island states. This has become another weird internet talking point as international recognition pretty much unanmiously switched to the PRC in the 1970s.

You are missing the point entirely; the point is that WHO as an International HEALTH organization shouldn't take sides in geopolitical issues.

Bringing the behavior of US-- a sovereign state-- into the discussion is completely inappropriate.

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Censorship is the naive and ineffective non-solution to the problem of coordinated misinformation campaigns. It’s sort of like torture: even if it worked for the problem it is trying to solve, it would debase us as human beings to try to use it. To top that off, it doesn’t work .

What do you suggest as an alternative? What would you have done in the situation where Facebook was used as a platform to incite pogroms against Muslims in Myanmar[1]? If we have a better solution in an emergency than censorship, I haven't heard it suggested. 1. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/06/technology/myanmar-facebo...

Facebook is a communications tool. It does not incite violence by anyone or against anyone else any more or less than any comparable communications tool. That violent people use it is not an issue with Facebook or reason to censor it, any more than the fact that violent people using cellphones is a reason to tap every cellphone.

The alternative to censorship is... not censoring.

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The road to hell is paved with good intentions. WHO is a political organization with medical leanings just like Fox News is an entertainment channel that covers newslike topics. Yes, there's a lot of information out there about SARS-COV2 and COVID-19 infections out there that are downright misleading at best and life threatening at worst. No, censoring that content including videos is NOT the role of a hosting platfo…

In the age of misinformation, how do we better equip our society to know (or even desire to know) what is accurate information? I think it's easy to think of censorship as the answer, and it's easy to think that in this extreme circumstance that it's the answer. Maybe it is a slippery slope. It is a problem though. People aren't doing a very good job of handling it on their own, either. So what's the answer? Genuinel…

I think that HN readers trend rationalist and see the problem as one of presenting evidence. I respectfully disagree and present a different perspective, one which premises that objectivity is futile and that information is social/tribal.

There is truth and then there is information. I think that people can know only information — projections of truth we think to be truthful. Information must be stored as memory and thereby is rendered organic and messy.

I argue that information is socially constructed. Given the overwhelming complexity of the world, individuals evaluate the trustworthiness of information by how much they trust its transmitter and how people in their network — who collectively form their realities — also receive that information. There is scarcely enough time or resources for individuals to independently evaluate information (in a non-social way for truthiness). Observe for ourselves: how much do we accept as information just because someone we and our friends/family/colleagues trust says it?

In short, (I think that) we believe what others believe. The cost of evaluating information is too high, and so too is the social cost of believing something that is contrary to the beliefs of those others who constitute our immediate realities (the ones we directly experience day to day).

The answer in a democratic society that aims to have a free press? I think that at an abstract level the answer will have something to do with shortening the diameter of our society-level social network and more densely connecting distant subgraphs — such that different social realities can be bridged and the Overton window can be narrowed around the mean.

One merge-tribes implementation: Institutions that socialise people at a national or state-level and cross social classes, like a year of mandatory national civil service around the country. As we go through life, we progress through a series of institutions that socialise us at increasingly wider levels: family, grade school (hyperlocal), maybe religious group, middle school (local), high school (local), then university for some (international or national but upper middle-class if prestigious; otherwise regional). The EU’s Erasmus Programme brings EU students to study in other EU countries: individual networks that otherwise would never connect, get connected — and at a collective level the Programme contributes toward a pan-European identity. But in the US and the EU there are lack of institutions that socialise the masses both at a national/union level and across class. I expect that people will balk at the idea of a compulsory program in a “free” society, but I think that it is more productive for people to think about what a healthy society should ask of each members so that it can sustain a healthy abundance of freedom.

Another idea: Facebook and other online social networks creating intimate channels — not mass channels that inevitably devolve into shouting and chanting — that foster more cross-societal interaction and awareness. Though I think this is a lot weaker than an “IRL” solution.

I find our modern epistemic crisis very interesting and welcome emails to discuss.

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I was defending Facebook for removing anti-quarantine events. There's a difference between mere opinions versus actions that directly risk the public health of non-participants and I think Facebook is nailing it. However, Google has gotten it wrong: 1. As others have said, WHO has not earned this trust to date and is also a political organization, not one that is independent. 2. There were other options available, su…

Vitamin C is like, classic nonsense. People only take it seriously because it's been around forever, like homeopathy and acupuncture, not because there's any good evidence for it doing anything useful, beyond, you know, preventing scurvy.

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They'll probably cull everything that doesn't earn them ad revenue, to minimize the fallout. The content will trend toward sanitized garbage and the viewers will start leaking to somewhere else.

YouTube will finally become “Tube”

If they close off both ends does it become “Bubble”?

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I was defending Facebook for removing anti-quarantine events. There's a difference between mere opinions versus actions that directly risk the public health of non-participants and I think Facebook is nailing it. However, Google has gotten it wrong: 1. As others have said, WHO has not earned this trust to date and is also a political organization, not one that is independent. 2. There were other options available, su…

Vitamin C is like, classic nonsense. People only take it seriously because it's been around forever, like homeopathy and acupuncture, not because there's any good evidence for it doing anything useful, beyond, you know, preventing scurvy.

I'm just saying it's not bleach.

But I didn't know that, interesting.

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The sort of people who contradict the WHO happened to be right on this one; they predicted a problem early... Suggesting YouTubers were correct a form of survivorship bias. You're only paying attention to the ones that were right. Plenty of other YouTubers said things along the lines of it being a hoax, or it'd die off, or that it'd be thousands of times worse long before, and long after, the WHO reacted. YouTube is…

Maybe those Youtubers were less popular because their predictions are less accurate and their logic is flawed, and people are able to see the difference? Why is biasing information the role of Youtube, shouldn’t USA and other countries educate their citizen to be resilient to inaccurate predictions, rather than cut any information at the root and only ever expose citizen to “true information”, which inevitably makes…

Yes, let's go fix people's entire educational upbringing (often tied to income and scenarios outside one's control) in the middle of a crisis so that way they can be your flavor of 'smart enough' to discern fact from fiction. This stance is absurd given the immediacy of the crisis all hinging on some slippery-slope argument that if they ban one video they can ban them all.

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I think what YouTube is doing is with the best intentions - but I hate it. Silencing speech you don't agree with is a dangerous road littered with totalitarian regimes. Doing so at YouTube's scale underlines how much unchecked power corporations have in our society. I think they should not have the power to decide what voice deserves a platform and what does not. They should be regulated as a utility given their mark…

The central kind of thing that this ban is meant to prevent is people posting on Youtube to drink bleach as a COVID cure and laughing over the ensuing deaths. We've disapproved of that kind of speech for centuries -- this slope isn't nearly as slippery as you think it is.

It starts with things that everybody agrees to be reasonable. But where does it end? Who makes Google god to decide?

It is a slippery slope.

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Can you be specific on > The WHO denied human-to-human transmission even after Taiwan told them about it I don't think anyone on HN needs to be told that "there are no clear evidence of human to human transmission" is not the same as "there are evidence that human to human transmission is not possible" which is how everyone is trying their hardest to interpret it as. > even after Taiwan told them about it Do you have…

Taiwan told them about human-to-human transmission in December, and the WHO responded by repeating CCP propaganda verbatim in January saying there was no evidence of it. Note that at the time WHO had zero access to China, because of the cover-up ongoing.

If you read my post I'm exactly answering your point.
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