Bitchute.com might be a good alternative to the content creators who may have suffered from this ridiculous censorship.
YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice
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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice
#552This is terrible. I wrote this week how centralized, point-and-click mass censorship has a non-obvious failure mode in emergencies/pandemics/wars that poses an existential threat to a free and self-determined society: https://sneak.berlin/20200421/normalcy-bias/ (Note well that this exceptionally dangerous failure mode is based simply on the existence of the technological capability of mass instant censorship, not th…
> parroted China’s line about no human-to-human transmission This is one of those completely false things that people only believe is true by repetition. Go back and actually read the full set of WHO statements in mid-January. They have a bunch of statements saying that nations should get prepared, one saying that specific studies haven’t yet found hard evidence for person-to-person transmission (because at that poin…
> They were urging nations to act for months before they actually did.
No, they were telling governments for months not to put in place travel bans and not to recommend facemasks. The countries that had the most effective responses are the ones that ignored or literally did the opposite of WHO recommendations.
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Cool. As an American you should be well versed in how companies work, as well as contracts, and the fact that you can absolutely be "censored" on a private platform.
I think we are all familiar considering your response is the de facto standard propaganda that is posted all over social media in defense of censorship.
> and the fact that you can absolutely be "censored" on a private platform.
Yes. That's the point. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice
#554The road to hell is paved with good intentions. WHO is a political organization with medical leanings just like Fox News is an entertainment channel that covers newslike topics. Yes, there's a lot of information out there about SARS-COV2 and COVID-19 infections out there that are downright misleading at best and life threatening at worst. No, censoring that content including videos is NOT the role of a hosting platfo…
You have not made a case for why you think that public health issues — such as Covid — should be a topic fully exempt from restriction by YouTube. You've made the case that freedom is good and that YouTube can take all sorts of steps, but you haven't explain at all what your position on this tradeoff is. As a country that restricts public behaviors when they conflict with public welfare, it is plausible to expect tha…
By the time the United States was founded, the idea of restricting speech that "conflict[s] with the public welfare" had become so frequently abused for self-serving censorship that a prohibition against the whole idea was written into the the highest laws of the country. The rationale for doing so applies today. A society can't figure out what is true if well-meaning people in power have the ability to censor anything that they don't believe is true. Censors can be mistaken on the facts as much as anyone else, and it's a fundamental weakness in human nature that we apply different standards to claims for and against our interests. Some central body limiting information flows for the "public good" has never led to anything actually good and never will.
The public good arising from free speech is truth.
Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice
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Almost no one in previous history had an ability to directly target poor, uneducated masses which their own content created in their own bedroom. Also let’s be honest - the likes of Hitler actually came from the likes of people who would tell you to stop listening to WHO advice and to go start fires in 5G towers. Don’t get me wrong, freedom of speech et. al., and we’re probably also going to get burnt by the freedom…
> Almost no one in previous history had an ability to directly target poor, uneducated masses which their own content created in their own bedroom. Yes they did - where do you think Martin Luther composed his 95 theses?
Printing technology was the new hotness of his time.
https://www.history.com/news/printing-press-renaissance
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The sort of people who contradict the WHO happened to be right on this one; they predicted a problem early... Suggesting YouTubers were correct a form of survivorship bias. You're only paying attention to the ones that were right. Plenty of other YouTubers said things along the lines of it being a hoax, or it'd die off, or that it'd be thousands of times worse long before, and long after, the WHO reacted. YouTube is…
> a very smart bloke with an honest-to-goodness PhD in a virus-related field How do I embolden text on HN? When a person with a PhD is talking about something related to their PhD it is imprudent policy to ban their content because it disagrees with a body who are (a) political, (b) purposefully slow to recommend things and (c) have covered themselves with something a lot less pleasant than glory with their response…
Wrapping with asterisks, with no whitespace, italicizes. I don't think that you can embolden, otherwise.
Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice
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> claims that covid does not spread from human to human after it was abundantly clear that it does There's evidence that human to human transmission was documented on January 14? That would be the first time I hear about it. Do you have a source?
Yes Dr. Li contracted the virus on January 8 when he returned to the hospital in Wuhan where the first patients were identified in December 2019. Dr. Li made social media posts about the virus which Chinese authorities forced him to take down and sign a written confession and promise not to do it again. Now the question is do you have a source that shows the exact steps, if any, the WHO took to verify the “preliminar…
This is a huge non sequitur from my question on "spread from human to human after it was _abundantly clear_ that it does"
But I will respond to your goalpost shift as well in defense of Li Wenliang who's a celebrated individual in China but turned into a cartoon meme in the west.
Li, an ophthalmologist, has no first hand knowledge of the virus nor was he trying to "whistleblow". He received a private group message within the hospital from ER department director and he simply re-shared the message to other private groups with his classmates.
The ER director, Ai Fen, was the source of the hypothesis that some patients in the hospital had, incorrectly, SARS and she was the right channel to escalate in the first place. And her escalation was successful when 1 nurse was observed to have been infected on January 11th.
The only piece of new information Li brought to the world was on January 30th when he tested positive.
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I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( The idea is: "We are the decent, good, people who know the truth. Now we control the platforms, so it's only well and good we control the information, and we tell the deplorable others what they can and can't say." Almost everyone in the history books as a horrible oppressor has told themselves that narrative. Many…
Germany bans holocaust denial. That seems fine.
Nothing emboldens racists like pointing to government oppression of their ideas. The KKK has free reign in the USA and they've experienced plummeting membership.
Nothing kills bad ideas like sunlight and scrutiny, you don't need to ban it and make them martyrs.
Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice
#559Earlier quoted context omitted.
Almost no one in previous history had an ability to directly target poor, uneducated masses which their own content created in their own bedroom. Also let’s be honest - the likes of Hitler actually came from the likes of people who would tell you to stop listening to WHO advice and to go start fires in 5G towers. Don’t get me wrong, freedom of speech et. al., and we’re probably also going to get burnt by the freedom…
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Coronavirus isn't the virus we should be worried about, the real disease is the disease of globalism.
Nice axe you're grinding there.
Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice
#560Is this ban also covering misinformation about vaccines ?