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YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by OrderlyTiamat »

glenstein wrote: post #431
OrderlyTiamat wrote: post #417

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I agree with the conclusion that you should be clear about what percentage of content is on the side of reasonable, and which is not. Let me however disagree strongly with your claims that this concerns 99.99999% of cases, and that the other commenter was talking about "what ifs" and "hypotheticals". That last claim seems to me to just be untrue: we know in fact that local laws, for example several american states, c…

The 99.99999% case scenario concerns videos that are saying '5g caused coronavirus', and meanwhile you're trying to tie up everybodies attention with special cases that don't represent the majority of cases. People get disoriented with special cases and trick questions. Let me put it this way. If you're not just pointing to the mask example as a tentative, academic exercise, and sincerely believe that they constitute…

Well, than I don't know what to say to you. I have already explained my view on the proportions, I have already given argument and explanation for it, and you seem to be intent on not supporting your own conclusions apart from a rather lame "you're a contrarianist" argument.

Why not actually defend your arguments and attack mine instead of circling about the issue with "this actual real life example is a what if hypothetical" and hastily drawn up dichotomies?

(Particularly this hammering that these are contrived examples is bordering on the ridiculous: we know this is true!)

You've lost your benefit of the doubt with this comment.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by holler »

guscost wrote: post #402
judge2020 wrote: post #374

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Revoking 230 won't make the executives at YouTube go "gosh darn, guess we'll have to start taking a loss by employing hundreds of thousands of moderators to literally watch every video uploaded", they'll constrain and limit the platform in any way which still guarantees similar or greater ad revenue. That is, if there isn't any legal loophole like requiring creators sign legal paperwork which makes creators their own…

They'll probably cull everything that doesn't earn them ad revenue, to minimize the fallout. The content will trend toward sanitized garbage and the viewers will start leaking to somewhere else.

This is all great news if you're building a new social project...

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by e2021 »

dijit wrote: post #317
tartrate wrote: post #305

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> The majority of WHO controversies are made up If you don't mind me asking, could you please provide the source for one WHO controversy that is made up? Preferably one of the large ones, if applicable.

Well, the majority of the issues seem to stem from the 'pro-china' stance which, aside from one persons fumbling reply has no real basis. The journalist was a bit of a poison pill there asking an intentionally loaded question. The WHO doesn't recognise Taiwan because the U.N doesn't. Not because of China. Here's a bit of "Why" the WHO doesn't recognise Taiwan: https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/why-does-who-exclude-taiwan…

It also comes from the Absurdly laudatory praise that WHO was giving China in January about how they were setting standards for transparency and how their quick behavior had saved the world.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by dntbnmpls »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #321
stcredzero wrote: post #270

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I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( The idea is: "We are the decent, good, people who know the truth. Now we control the platforms, so it's only well and good we control the information, and we tell the deplorable others what they can and can't say." Almost everyone in the history books as a horrible oppressor has told themselves that narrative. Many…

Almost no one in previous history had an ability to directly target poor, uneducated masses which their own content created in their own bedroom. Also let’s be honest - the likes of Hitler actually came from the likes of people who would tell you to stop listening to WHO advice and to go start fires in 5G towers. Don’t get me wrong, freedom of speech et. al., and we’re probably also going to get burnt by the freedom…

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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by mirimir »

jdavis703 wrote: post #444
glenstein wrote: post #381

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>Where we live, due to local laws, we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? Examples like these are frivolous. There's a heartland of obvious, flagrant misinformation that is indisputably worth banning and for which a moral case exists to ban immediately: '5g caused corona, this home remedy will cure it!' etc. The go-to move of internet…

The problem is they give one body the ultimate authority on what is truth. Science, epidemiology & politics is more complex than that. For example some in the Chinese government think coronavirus was released by the US Army while some in the US intelligence community think coronavirus leaked from a Chinese government lab in Wuhan. Another example, some US government officials think chloroquine is a COVID cure, while…

> The problem is they give one body the ultimate authority on what is truth. Science, epidemiology & politics is more complex than that.

That's an excellent point.

> Google should instead have a list of allowed sources (e.g. WHO, CDC, NHS, etc) and explicitly disallowed sources (states owned media organizations, politicians and intelligence agencies).

Well, isn't the BBC at least government affiliated? And yes, I'm aware that it's supposedly entirely independent.

And about intelligence agencies, the NSA has contributed hugely to computer security. It's true that they're arguably the world's greatest hackers, but that actually increases their credibility. Except for the backdoors that they hide ;)

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Post by samcheng »

Dr. John Campbell, who posts daily on Coronavirus news internationally, and who also dives deep into the physiologic processes around viruses, illnesses, and immune function, is often at odds with the WHO. And he generally has a compelling argument for why, often quoting scientific literature.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF9IOB2TExg3QIBupFtBDxg

(I highly recommend watching his videos!)

If YouTube shuts John Campbell down, they will be doing a major disservice to this global fight against a virus.

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Post by oh_come_on »

esejf wrote: post #408
dijit wrote: post #88

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The majority of WHO controversies are made up, the WHO are not a political entity so they do not want to comment at all on political issues; and whatever you want to say about Taiwan it is a very heated political situation. That's also the evidence of "alignment with china": because we in the west see a failure to recognise taiwan as siding with china. Which is odd because the USA doesn't officially recognise Taiwan…

what planet do you live on?

Wumao

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Post by twblalock »

what_ever wrote: post #163
twblalock wrote: post #125

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> Misinformation is killing people. How many? I don't think it's very many.

Isn't one too many?

You'd need to ban pretty much everything if that was the standard.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by holler »

seppin wrote: post #341
roenxi wrote: post #336

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Some people would like freedom to discuss the coronavirus without being oppressed. They can't on YouTube if this policy takes hold. The sort of people who contradict the WHO happened to be right on this one; they predicted a problem early and tended to pre-empt the WHO on upcoming problems. This was also expected , because the WHO only advises stuff that is already obvious to everyone. Interested parties can offer be…

> freedom to discuss the coronavirus Unfortunately platforms that reach billions must prioritize the danger of misinformation spreading that far and wide over allowing for every dangerous and wrong opinion. The complete and total censorship you fear never emerges, Youtube if anything is far too lenient on allowing terrible opinions to linger on their platform. They never do away with anything besides the most harmful…

> They never do away with anything besides the most harmful, hate filled rhetoric.

who decides what speech is "hate filled"? this is free speech 101. what is the point of a publicly accessible social platform if people can't express themselves freely?

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