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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by dijit »

jdminhbg wrote: post #363
dijit wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're missing the point. Taiwan does not exist as an entity to the WHO because it is not recognised by the United Nations. As much as Taiwan has valuable lessons it's basically akin to asking why the WHO isn't listening to the municipality of sealand. The journalist asking that question in the first place knew that Taiwan is a political hotbed and was looking for a story, they got one and the WHO is under th…

If you think that's an acceptable answer, then Tedros could have given it as an answer instead of an irrelevant diatribe about mean people online. Public health is, like aviation for example, one of those things where recognition of "legitimate" governments has to take a back seat to de facto reality. If the WHO is unable to deal with Taiwan, then we need a different organization that can.

Reality doesn't work this way.

The only way to have real collaboration on a global level is to take no sides of any kind and only agree with absolute consensus. Anything else is picking a side and alienates part of the world.

I'm sorry that the WHO isn't playing into the politics you or I like, in this case it almost certainly would have saved lives, but that's kind of the point. As soon as they "wake up to the reality" of something such as, idk, Crimea being Russian territory? then suddenly they're alienating Ukraine and its allies.

It's stupid, and fickle, but the only winning move is not to play.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by grawprog »

glenstein wrote: post #381
logifail wrote: post #121

Current WHO advice: "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19." [0] Where we live, due to local laws , we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( We keep trying to encourage our ki…

>Where we live, due to local laws, we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? Examples like these are frivolous. There's a heartland of obvious, flagrant misinformation that is indisputably worth banning and for which a moral case exists to ban immediately: '5g caused corona, this home remedy will cure it!' etc. The go-to move of internet…

Since when am I beholden to the WHO? I don't remember voting for any of them or agreeing for them to represent me in any way. They are not my elected government, why should I give the slightest fuck what they tell me to do?

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by ColanR »

phs318u wrote: post #387
enaaem wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Februari the WHO urges to not impose travel bans: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-who/who-chie... Nations who handled the crisis the best, imposed travel bans early on and were criticised by the WHO. https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/01/30/275959/the-china...

His actual speech (that Reuter’s reported on). https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-... The key sentence that Tedros is being criticised for is: “First, there is no reason for measures that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade. WHO doesn’t recommend limiting trade and movement.” However, in the same speech: “ we must all act together now to limit further spread. The vast…

His job is world health. If he put "saving face" for China, or trying to keep his job, over recommending a travel ban to prevent the spread of a deadly virus, then he is incompetent and he failed to prevent deaths... and my point still stands.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by ci5er »

colmvp wrote: post #76
JordanFarmer wrote: post #72

Just look back through the years where the WHO has posted information and data that has been false. There were scientists and doctors who disagreed, those doctors were correct. So YouTube wouldn't allow correct information in this scenario for Covid 19?

In Canada for months we followed WHO's directions to a tee and ended up rapid growth of infections until we did a 180 and implemented nearly every measure that the WHO disagreed with. Taiwan is one of the few countries to have very few cases, and they essentially did a lot of measures the WHO did not recommend initially.

Taiwan is an interesting case. They are not recognized as, really anything, except part of "One China" by the UN. Anyway - WHO wouldn't talk to them, even when they asked nicely.

But they, like HK (and Vietnam, and SG and I don't know who else) are part of the "China is asshoe" club (i.e. the TW believe that the Chinese government will always lie and obfuscate, true or not), and had pretty direct experience with SARS and the other corona virus (not MERS, but my brain isn't working). In any case - they had protocols in place start mandating masks - pretty much day 1. They also paid for a factory expansion of the largest vendors, pretty much day 1, and pre-paid for a pretty large order.

I heard a rumor that the Vietnamese actually hacked a Chinese "mainframe" and stole materials that allowed them to prepare. I don't know if this is true, and it is not related to Taiwan's already-in-place response plan.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by triceratops »

logifail wrote: post #121

Current WHO advice: "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19." [0] Where we live, due to local laws , we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( We keep trying to encourage our ki…

> Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO?

It's not contradicting the WHO to say "local laws say to wear a mask". That's also a statement of fact. And I can't imagine YT taking down a video saying "follow the law".

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Post by 0xdeadbeefbabe »

stcredzero wrote: post #270
logifail wrote: post #121

Current WHO advice: "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19." [0] Where we live, due to local laws , we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( We keep trying to encourage our ki…

I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( The idea is: "We are the decent, good, people who know the truth. Now we control the platforms, so it's only well and good we control the information, and we tell the deplorable others what they can and can't say." Almost everyone in the history books as a horrible oppressor has told themselves that narrative. Many…

> How are the employees of YouTube or any tech company exempt from those forces? What makes them somehow wiser or smarter than everyone else in history?

Forget history (it's popular) what about technical ability to do this? We can probably share information about "my sharona" after all.

Also, does youtube really want viewers it constantly has to protect from bad information?

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Post by autokad »

glenstein wrote: post #381
logifail wrote: post #121

Current WHO advice: "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19." [0] Where we live, due to local laws , we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( We keep trying to encourage our ki…

>Where we live, due to local laws, we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? Examples like these are frivolous. There's a heartland of obvious, flagrant misinformation that is indisputably worth banning and for which a moral case exists to ban immediately: '5g caused corona, this home remedy will cure it!' etc. The go-to move of internet…

do you think someone at google is saying: 'hmmm, I analyzed all the points and did fact checking and this video should be flagged'.

They'll have some lazily built ML algorithm that flags the whole channel with a video that mention 'corona' and demonitize them so they can collect money and benefit from the videos but not have to do any payout.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by adatavizguy »

grawprog wrote: post #392
glenstein wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Where we live, due to local laws, we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? Examples like these are frivolous. There's a heartland of obvious, flagrant misinformation that is indisputably worth banning and for which a moral case exists to ban immediately: '5g caused corona, this home remedy will cure it!' etc. The go-to move of internet…

Since when am I beholden to the WHO? I don't remember voting for any of them or agreeing for them to represent me in any way. They are not my elected government, why should I give the slightest fuck what they tell me to do?

I hate to be the one to have to explain this to you. A private entity is deciding what content is and is not allowed to be hosted on their private servers using their private services. This is very different from government officials that you vote for censoring free speech.

Anyone who doesn't like YouTube's policies are welcome to post their content on Facebook to share with their friends, on Twitter, stream it live on Twitch, or, host it themselves on their own servers.

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Post by chrisseaton »

takeda wrote: post #377
chrisseaton wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No they're definitely saying not to wear masks because they think it's net harmful. For example > WHO also said community masking could lead to a "false sense of security" and cause people to ignore other evidence-based measures like handwashing and self-isolation.

because it is true, the N95 mask don't protect you from the virus completely, and the masks that city advocate to use (non N95) don't do anything to protect you, they are there to protect others from you. If you sneeze or talk those masks will restrict most of the droplets from traveling far.

> because it is true

I don't have an opinion on whether it's true or not myself. I’m not qualified to say.

I just know that reputable authorities disagree on it. So how can you enforce a truth here?

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Post by organsnyder »

grawprog wrote: post #392
glenstein wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Where we live, due to local laws, we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? Examples like these are frivolous. There's a heartland of obvious, flagrant misinformation that is indisputably worth banning and for which a moral case exists to ban immediately: '5g caused corona, this home remedy will cure it!' etc. The go-to move of internet…

Since when am I beholden to the WHO? I don't remember voting for any of them or agreeing for them to represent me in any way. They are not my elected government, why should I give the slightest fuck what they tell me to do?

Perhaps because their mission is to keep the world's inhabitants healthy? Of course, they have no legal authority over you, but listening to them is generally a good idea.
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