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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by knzhou »

epicureanideal wrote: post #286
knzhou wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Prior to March 3rd, the official position of the WHO was that "The flu is worse" This is a lie, and the product of many different organizations flat out making up claims about the WHO to deflect blame away from themselves. The WHO has been telling nations to prepare since January. I mean, I'm an ordinary citizen and I got clued in to preparing in January from their statements.

You must have been watching different news sources than me. The comment you're replying to is what I saw as well.

My news source was the actual WHO press conferences. They've been quite clear on this since January.

If you've only heard what some secondary source says the WHO said, then your perception of the WHO is completely determined by what that secondary source wants you to think.

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Post by phs318u »

subhobroto wrote: post #210
phs318u wrote: post #186

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The problem isn’t letting people decide for themselves. It’s the fact that when it comes to some things, even a small minority “deciding stupid” can destroy the commons eg endanger lots of lives. Isn’t there a saying that’s something like, “your right to swing your arms ends where my nose begins”?

> your right to swing your arms ends where my nose begins I live by that philosophy! As I said here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22956768 "... if I see you foisting your opinions on what kind of content I get to see, that's you infringing on my freedom and we have a problem." Your quote is more concise and to the point :D

Except the point I was making is that your right to act on your belief of egregious nonsense ends when it results in harm to me.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by factsaresacred »

dijit wrote: post #109
gnusty_gnurc wrote: post #97

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> The majority of WHO controversies are made up, the WHO are not a political entity so they do not want to comment at all on political issues; and whatever you want to say about Taiwan it is a very heated political situation. They make overt political statements all the time. For one: calling Taiwan racist when it took issue with the WHO’s inaction after their attempts to disseminate health information. Then Tedros c…

Please don't twist the situation. The Head of the WHO was attacked by racist trolls who were outwardly Taiwanese; for excluding Taiwan from membership (like _all_ U.N. projects do), And he commented about the abuse. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/04/taiwan-who-tedro...

That article provides zero evidence of "racist trolls who were outwardly Taiwanese". It's a fiction.

What is not a fiction in Mainland China evicting Africans and blocking them from Shopping malls after the government accused them of being diseased.

Where is Tedros' comments against China amid this actual documented racism?

The WHO have handled this horribly at just about every stage and deserve every bit of criticism sent their way.

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Post by fareesh »

This is an absolute disgrace.

Ok YouTube - what is the plan if Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai becomes the next Director General of the WHO?

This creation of sacred cows from institutions is ludicrous. At one time YouTube associated itself with the SPLC to determine "hate groups", and Majid Nawaz from Quilliam successfully sued the SPLC into making a video apology and paying him millions - because they had previously placed him in their "Field Guide to Anti-Muslim Extremists".

The tech industry seems to have a fetish for authoritative sources in a world that is constantly proving that these gatekeepers of canonical knowledge are fallible, and often to the detriment of many.

Centralization of canonical information is not a solution to determining what's true and what isn't - it simply creates a structure where the truth can be determined by some organization, and all that's stopping it from being abused is blind faith that people in these organizations will do the right thing 100% of the time, infallibly.

Everything ought to be in a position where it can be criticized freely. When you walk down the street there can be crazy people who yell all sorts of prophecies. The scale at which people can do this on the internet is higher, but that does not automatically mean that they necessarily need to be addressed.

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Post by hhw »

zknz wrote: post #179
cryptochromium wrote: post #143

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"Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China," https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152?s=20

That's not a denial. It's a we have yet to confirm.

It may not have explicitly stated that there was no human to human transmission, but that was strongly suggestive that there wasn’t.

The default assumption should be, that a virus affecting hundreds of people already, could be contagious. Suggesting otherwise, with no reasonable evidence to support such, is deliberately obfuscating if not deliberately misleading. There was absolutely no reason to make such a statement other than to parrot without question what was being reported by the PRC.

Considering Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus received support from the PRC in his candidacy for leadership of the WHO, and the significant ties between his home country of Ethiopia and the PRC, I’m skeptical that it was just absolute ignorance without any political influence or bias that prompted such a statement.

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Post by anoncake »

brobinson wrote: post #187
core-questions wrote: post #161

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You should try talking to a Taiwanese person to see what they think, instead of being a shill for PRC.

See my edit. I'm 100% pro-ROC and 100% anti-PRC. Calling the ROC and its other non-Taiwan holdings "Taiwan" helps the PRC with their "Taiwan is a province of China" narrative. First time I, a stringent anti-communist, have ever been called a PRC shill. There's zero chance I'd be allowed to enter the PRC if they can see my internet posting history.

"Republic of China" sounds like something related to China. Maybe some sort of separatist organization? If the PRC invades it, that must be some sort of civil war, an internal Chinese matter. Can't blame China for conquering itself.

"Taiwan" doesn't sound related to China at all. It implies no more "Taiwan, province of China" than "Taiwan, country in East Asia".

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Post by elsonrodriguez »

ardy42 wrote: post #214
Barrin92 wrote: post #65

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Neither does the US. Taiwan is only recognised by IIRC 12 natinos, mostly small island states. This has become another weird internet talking point as international recognition pretty much unanmiously switched to the PRC in the 1970s.

> Neither does the US. Taiwan is only recognised by IIRC 12 natinos, mostly small island states. This has become another weird internet talking point as international recognition pretty much unanmiously switched to the PRC in the 1970s. That's misleading. The US de facto recognizes Taiwan, and the only reason it doesn't recognize it de jure is that the PRC would formally cut off relations if it did. https://en.wikipe…

More importantly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_US_arms_sales_to_Taiwa...

Like, it's ok that we sell Taiwan fighter jets and tanks to defend themselves against China, as long as we say that Taiwan belongs to china.

I'll never understand politics.

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Post by shawnz »

chrisseaton wrote: post #251
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #137

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I think "You need to wear a mask when you go out of the house" directly contradicts "you only need to wear a mask when taking care of someone with COVID-19"

No they're definitely saying not to wear masks because they think it's net harmful. For example > WHO also said community masking could lead to a "false sense of security" and cause people to ignore other evidence-based measures like handwashing and self-isolation.

That still doesn't seem like a contradiction to me since they are not explicitly recommending not to do it, only suggesting to be aware of the possible downsides.

That said, they also don't explicitly recommend to not take vitamin C or turmeric so the examples given by YouTube are already in conflict

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Post by graeme »

nemo wrote: post #82
graeme wrote: post #62

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The WHO denied human-to-human transmission even after Taiwan told them about it, and they dug their heels on calling the outbreak a pandemic for weeks. I think it depends how youtube draws the line. If they’re removing stuff like “use colloidial silver” or “no need to wash your hands” then sure. But the WHO is not gospel.

The errors the WHO has made have generally been corrected and so far as reliable authorities go on the pandemic there isn't a more reliable one, even if all are fallible. It's a better standard than nothing for stopping misinformation from killing people.

I agree that they're generally have good advice. But, I looked at their mask guidance, and they're still recommending that healthy people do not need to wear masks.

This ignores the possibility that people may be asymptomatic and contagious. Some government authorities have called for mask wearing outside. They are contradicting the WHO.

Should Youtube remove these views? That's why I said it all depends just how strictly they're going on WHO guidelines. If they're only removing obvious nonsense, fine. But the WHO should not be the only authority, especially if different health authorities may disagree.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2...

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Post by jimsmart »

arkh wrote: post #223
ff10 wrote: post #102

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You’re on a slippery slope and don’t consider that this is an exceptional situation. The danger of losing civil liberties comes when the exception becomes the rule. AFAIK, no amendments have been violated since YouTube is a private entity. They can editorialize what they, how they want. It’s is their liberty to make a choice here, the same as your liberty to not support that choice.

> They can editorialize what they, how they want. Then they are publishers and not platforms. So they are liable for all content on their website.

Indeed they are liable... well, to a certain degree:

A prime example here is the DMCA — but there are also other existing laws that place restrictions on content, which Youtube (and other platforms/publishers) must adhere to.

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